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YOUTUBE COMMENTS EXPLAINED: HOW THEY WORK

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  • 08/09/2014 at 12:07 pm #95341
    Benjamin Newells
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    https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/youtube/cMrA2Vv66xk

    Attention: I quote from the above link (scroll down to “B. Top Comments” to understand how Top Comments works):

    Hi guys, as you know YouTube changed their commenting system a while back (16th Nov 2013) so I thought you might want to know how the new Google+ powered comments work.

    Here are the main points:

    A. LINKS IN COMMENTS
    Using Google Search Engine, YouTube is currently indexing more and more websites and pages to their allowed links list. These ‘safe links’ have been specifically approved by YouTube and as such are the ONLY links that can be added to users comments and still be visible to others. This is being done in an effort to curb ‘bad links’ such as those involving spam, scams, adult and illegal content. The allowed links mainly comprise, but are not limited to, educational and informative sites such as wikipedia, harvard, cnn, amazon, bbc etc. More and more links from general sites such as xkcd, blackhatworld, soundcloud continue to be added to the allowed list, so if you have a website with good content, high traffic and good reputation it will eventually be added to the allowed links list. However, some links such as url shorteners (bitly, owly, tinyurl), links to YouTube videos (except the one being commented on), social media pages such as Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, and adult or illegal websites are NOT permitted in the YouTube comments irrespective of their popularity.

    NOTE: If a YouTube user posts a comment containing a link that is not in the allowed list, the comment is automatically ghosted, that is, it is made invisible to every YouTube user except for the commenter.

    HOWEVER: The commenter ONLY, is permitted to leave a url shortener link e.g. a bit.ly link, and links to general websites that have not been added to the allowed links list by posting it in the REPLIES section of his or her OWN comment. (Adult and illegal sites do not apply)

    B. TOP COMMENTS
    1. Thumbs up and replies to users comments, whether genuine or artificial, SHALL NOT in any way affect a user’s comment ranking. This was implemented in an effort to prevent the significant amount spamming of Top Comments by automated bots, manual spammers, scammers, self-advertisers and so on. (So DON’T waste your time trying to get your comment into Top Comments by using bots, manual replying or using thumbs up using proxies etc., etc.)

    2. The ranking of YouTube top comments IS NOT affected by any of the following factors:
    > How many views your YouTube channel has
    > How many subscribers/subscriptions your YouTube channel has
    > How many videos you have uploaded to your YouTube channel
    > How many people you have or have you in Google+ circles
    > How many +1s your Google+ profile/page has

    3. The ranking of the Top Comments IS AFFECTED by the following factors:
    > Google+ Quality Factor: The MAIN criteria used to determine which comments should go top on YouTube comments is the quality factor of
    the commenter’s Google+ account, which is determined by how often or how many times the user posts/ has posted on his/her Google+
    profile/page, especially those posts which contain links to YouTube videos. NB: This excludes flagged Google+ accounts that have an irregular or
    unusually large number of posts which indicates the account is being used for spamming activity. YouTube comments from Google+
    accounts with a better quality factor are ranked higher in the Top Comments compared to others with a lower quality factor.

    >YouTube Channel Age: Older YouTube channels have a better chance of being ranked as top comments compared to newly created channels. For example a comment that was made by a YouTube channel created in 2007 will obviously rank higher than one from a channel created in 2013. This is a sort of trust-system, where older YouTube channels are given more priority in ranking.

    > Recency: On YouTube videos that are very popular and hence commented on frequently, the Top Comments are inevitably going to be
    replaced by newer and fresher Top Comments. This usually happens after every 500 new comments. However, if a video rarely gets any
    comments and the Top Comment was made by a Google+ account with a high quality factor, the top comment will remain relatively
    unchanged for a long time

    > Good standing: Comments from YouTube accounts that are not in a good standing for copyright infringement, community guidelines
    strikes, and accounts whose comments are frequently flagged as spam automatically become ineligible for Top Comments for a period
    of up to 6 months.

    C. SPAM FIGHTING MEASURES
    The former YouTube comments were a hotbed for spam and idiocy, something Google was painfully aware of. The new comment system will hopefully clean up the comments thanks to the stringent commenting rules YouTube has put in place:
    1. Users can post a maximum of 10-20 comments on videos per day depending on the quality factor of the commenter’s Google+ account. Any exceeding comments will be hidden from public view and cause the associated YouTube/Google+ account to be flagged.
    2. Once an account is flagged by YouTube it is banned from commenting for up to 24 hours, during which any comments posted will be hidden from view (i.e. ghosted). The quality factor of an account is diminished significantly every time it gets flagged.
    3. Once detected, any unoriginal or repetitive comments made by a YouTube/Google+ account will be hidden from public view and cause that account to be banned from posting visible comments for up to 24 hours. (This is why thousands of Bob comments disappeared from YouTube overnight)
    4. Comments containing unapproved links will be hidden from public view (i.e. ghosted)

    IMPORTANT
    Before the new commenting system was rolled out on 16th November 2013, an analysis of all Google+ accounts was carried out to determine their quality factor. The next analysis will be carried out in phases between 3-6 months from now. This means that if you have a Google+ account, there is little you can do now to improve your quality factor until the next analysis is done. Worse still, if you created a new Google+ account after the change, your account automatically receives a quality factor of 0, meaning that its comments cannot be placed in the top comments section. However, you can try to improve your Google+ account’s quality factor by gradually commenting (relevant comments not spam) on videos (maximum 9-10 comments per day) and hopefully when the new the Google+ accounts are reassessed you ranking will be much better.

    The one thing that I’ve observed to IMMEDIATELY boost your comment ranking is VERYFYING your YouTube account. This will help make your comments surface among the Top Comments more regularly. To do this, you need to log on to Your YouTube channel, click ‘YouTube settings ’ and then click on ‘View additional features ’ where you will see a Verify option that prompts you to enter your phone number so that your channel can be verified.

    08/09/2014 at 12:52 pm #95343
    Benjamin Newells
    Participant

    WHY WE NEED A PRIVATE WORKING THREAD/FORUM

    I’ve found out how the YouTube commenting system works (something that we should have done ages ago). This thread explains how it works: http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/youtube-comments-explained-how-they-work/ I also want to start abusing the Youtube system or at least getting the most out of it to maximize our effectiveness in spreading the mantra.

    And I think it’s time we made a PRIVATE WORKING THREAD (or FORUM) FOR APPROVED BUGsters. First I’ll explain why we need a PRIVATE WORKING THREAD and at the end I’ll explain why it should only be for APPROVED BUGsters.

    YouTube has a ranking system. The more times you get flagged the less likely your posts will appear on the Top Comments.

    Because the anti-whites can see our posts in our current PUBLIC working thread, they can constantly report us which must have already significantly lowered our odds of getting our posts to the Top comments.

    Even when we sometimes get 10-30 likes our posts, they still might not get on the Top comments. But random posts which have 0 or 1 like will get on the Top comments.

    I want to reduce the number of times our posts get flagged. One way to do this is simply make a PRIVATE working thread.

    Another reason for why we need a PRIVATE working thread is the issues we’ve recently been experiencing on Disqus comment sections: If you’ve been following our working thread recently, you’ll know that we recently ran into this issue where many of our accounts’ posts didn’t show up. The fact that we have at least one anti-white flagging our posts 24/7 COULD be part of the problem. It’s hard to say why though since it happened all at the same time, to multiple accounts and on different websites. Disqus itself does not moderate comments – so it has nothing to do with them (actually I’ve thought of the possibility that they actually do have something to do with it and are actually lying in their statement that they don’t moderate). It’s hard to say why this happened but it could be from our recent, consistent effectiveness. For example, Edward got a massive 1000 likes on one account in just one week. He would have gotten one dislike for every like: That’s at least 1000-2000 dislikes. It’s hard to be sure but a comment that gets one like and one dislike probably gets about 5-10 views in total at least. I think for every 1000 likes we get about about 5000-10,000 views. It could be as high as 15,000.

    My point is that I don’t want to take any chances – not even with these anti-whites who flag our comments 24/7. That is why we need a PRIVATE working thread.

    Next: I want to start developing tactics to abuse the YouTube system or at least get the most out of it. And I DON’T want this to be PUBLICLY available information.

    I want it to be PRIVATE. It will be sensitive information. I don’t want any sort of anti-white including those at Google to have easy access to our sensitive information.

    Next: This PRIVATE thread would only be for APPROVED BUGsters. Only accounts who’ve posted in the working thread or have shown some type of COMMITMENT for 6 months+ should be allowed to view this thread. That is because NEW accounts could be possible infiltrators. I think this should also rule out accounts who’ve been registered for a long time but have only posted a little. Period. No exceptions.

    I’ve sent an earlier draft of this post to sysop already.

    08/15/2014 at 10:19 am #95451
    Secret Squirrel
    Participant

    I still have big problems copy and pasting. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. If I have the same problems commenting by hand, I’m going to drop Youtube altogether and move to Daily Motion.

    BTW I just discovered something interesting about Youtube. Top comments are not determined by reputation alone, they are also determined by what you are interested in. If you post mantra comments from a browser, you will see top comments arranged in a certain order. But if you have a second browser that does not comment at all, the order of top comments changes! Install a second web browser on your computer and see for yourself.

    08/15/2014 at 5:41 pm #95461
    Benjamin Newells
    Participant

    That is interesting… I’ll have to try that.

    I actually think that we can’t do too much more than what we’re already doing on youtube. We’ll be able to do some pretty good things with twitter though.

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