“I have also heard the centuries immediately following the burning of Rome called “the dark ages.”– Shari
I have problems with Brown on that. In order to buttress his concept that the West was a totally new thing, he says that period in the West was like newborn, totally sunk in darkness. He is better than the average historian because he says that in the Dark Ages we lost BOTH our Roman AND our Germanic Civilizations. Unlike the average historian, he admits that there WAS a Germanic tradition.
For the average historian, the Dark Ages reflected a lack of SCRIBES. So accepted history says the Dark Ages were when we LOST the Civilization of Rome, where there were scribes. I was stunned to discover that Icelandic sagas talked about Attila the Hun. We had recorded history.
Accepted history tells us that the only writing in Northern Europe during the Dark Ages was the few runes we find on rocks. To one who gives a little THOUGHT to history, a group limited largely to me, this presents an odd picture. The rock-runes were highly complex. Since writing then, everywhere, did not separate words, the runes were drawn in artistic dragon shapes and so forth.
But there was no runic writings anywhere ELSE.
So here is the odd picture: These rock rune writers wrote in highly complex designs, but they never wrote anything ELSE. That’s quite an accomplishment! None of them ever had to PRACTIVE writing, they just carved away in fluency from the word GO.
Now THERE is an example of Nordic Superiority gone wild!
It seems a little more plausible to me that runic writings were destroyed.
Which means there WERE scribes?
We are told that the first representative government was in Iceland. It so happens that Iceland was peopled largely by those who were escaping from the first Christian King of Norway, Harold. Like the rune-writers, history says that they INVENTED representative government when they hit shore there.
We are told that DEMOCRACY was invented by the Greeks, who gathered in their thousand and shouted to each other. This was not representative. ALL citizens were there. Icelanders hit the coast and invented the process of electing people.
When I was coming up, that was as much a fact of history as the idea that no one wrote runes except on rocks and that the idea of Nordics settling America was a laughable myth.
It is more likely that we did not HAVE dictators and the Icelanders escaped from Harold’s new kingship and established the form of government they had had long before Athens was founded.
No kings, no emperors, and scribes were not dominant. That is a Dark Age to accepted history.
#1 by Brutus on 03/09/2008 - 4:55 pm
Okay,
I’m a lot like Linus Pauling here. Pauling did not like giving interviews because, he said, he was always being asked questions that he had answered in detail in books. Nevertheless, back in the mid eighties He allowed “Omni,” a now defunct scientific magazine, to interview him. Sure enough, Pauling told the guy interviewing him his questions had already been answered in at least two books. Pauling told the guy, “let’s move on, we can’t ever get anything done when we have to constantly be going back over material that has long since been covered adequately.”
Now, as it happens, this “hole in history” Bob speaks of, as well as the controversy of whether or not there was a “Dark Ages” has been covered quite well, in my opinion, by Joseph McCabe.
McCabe is seldom if ever mentioned by ANYONE in our “movement.” In fact, I think I might be the only one ALIVE in “The Movement” who even knows of him.
The reason, I think, is two fold. McCabe was an atheist and anti Catholic Church. However, his work must stand or fall on its own. He used extensive contemporary, i.e., people and writings OF THAT TIME and not what someone said 500 years later, sources to draw his conclusions. He makes use of personal letters and such of popes, princes, kings, laymen, monks, etc.
At any rate the essentials of answers to the questions posed here and elsewhere are given in McCabes “Histories Greatest Liars.” He also shows how “Modern” historians have distorted real history. For example, they will only give maybe a sentence or a paragraph to something or someone really important that actually changed history while they drone on for 20 or 30 pages about artwork or something that no one cares about anyway.
The “Dark Ages” were not UNIFORMLY dark. There was places and periods all through the time in question where this was not at all the case. There was monks, these were the “scribes,” but they mostly HAD to write about religious matters. A few, apparently by chance or daring, since there was much erotica in Classical Literature and thus not looked upon well by the authorities of the time, did preserve the Classics and other knowledge for us.
Just order and read the book.
Bob,
About the “Might of the West” thing, Oh thanks, I stand corrected. You knew him and knew of the book.
#2 by backbaygrouch4 on 03/10/2008 - 5:27 am
“The Icelanders …established the form of government they had had long before Athens was founded…”. This is an incredibly important point. In social matters people resist change and replicate whatever their forebears bequeathed to them. The downtown streets of Boston are a twisted hodgepodge. We tell the touristas that they.re old cow paths. Guides always get laugh out of that.
Nonsense. My Yankee ancestors had a keen, very keen, sense of property. Ownership was well delineated from the beginning and it was not premised on bovine whims. Several years ago an enterprising historian compared the plat maps of colonial Boston to those of a few of the same of the towns in Northern England form which the initial settlers departed. The parallels were beyond argument. Various types of shops even got the same corner lots. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même
The mores of the White race that we seek to preserve are ancient. They are rooted in our genes. We are not inventing them. We are not imagining them. They are what we are. This blog is a reach from each dying one of us for immortality through the survival of our posterity.
#3 by backbaygrouch4 on 03/10/2008 - 7:23 am
The reason McCabe is seldom mentioned is that he was an ex-priest hack who parroted jew popaganda to eke out a living.
#4 by Bob on 03/10/2008 - 10:15 am
Grouch, is that whirring sound I hear in the background your Yankee ancestors spinning in their graves when you say you are Catholic?
#5 by Brutus on 03/10/2008 - 1:06 pm
Bob,
I just hope Grouch was not selected for the choir.
LOL! I wonder how many will get that?
#6 by shari on 03/10/2008 - 4:14 pm
Backbay, I’m glad that you have Yankee ancesters. My mother-in-law is from Yankee ancestry. Her ancesters in New York corresponded to Bob’s in this way. They were prominate and owned a brick making business. Her grandfather served in the New York dragoons during that war, but she assures me that he never killed anybody. Ha! Sorry about the anecdote.
#7 by Bob on 03/11/2008 - 3:47 am
Shari, in the days of your ancestors, the biggest brickplant site on earth was along the Hudson River, making brick for NYC.
#8 by Bob on 03/11/2008 - 4:16 am
Nobody can say I am not willing to make sacrifices for our Cause!
I am even willing to publish commenters who are praising their YANKEE ancestors!