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The National Debate Market

Posted by Bob on August 16th, 2010 under Coaching Session


I talked earlier about how much more effective it would be if, instead of complex debates, people said, “I don’t believe you.” Respectable conservatives get paid precisely to take total absurdities from our established religion and make them sound intelligent by debating them in detail.

No one could be a professional conservative and use the Mantra. In a debate on television, once you had made it clear that the anti-white position is simple genocide, how would you pass the remainder of the time?

I mean this as a serious question. How can all the professional proponents of our established religion allow people on who simply chop them up and leave dead air? Not to mention that, since it IS our established religion, real heretics are not allowed exposure.

We have this problem in dealing with Obama. Obama is doing precisely what he said he would do: being an old style leftist, for which the codeword is “Change,” The fact that it requires a code word shows how successful it has been.

What is wrong with it, the reason liberalism and socialism need a codeword, is simple, 1) it has been tried, and 2) it does not work. Obama is trying Change and it does not work.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. But you won’t hear any professional conservative putting it that simply. And that is why the argument against this stuff doesn’t work.

It is not plain and simple. It treats this nonsense as if it had a point. It is part of the pretense that the national debate has two sides. The fact is that the so-called national debate has one side, our established religion of Political Correctness, and a group which serves as its respectable opposition.

In short, there is one side that is discredited and another side that tries to keep it credited.

That is why there is only one side, and that is why the one side is our established RELIGION. It is based entirely on faith that what has failed, from democratic socialism in Britain to liberalism in the US to state Communism in a third of the world, has failed and failed and failed and failed.

Its failure is not the point precisely because it is a religion, faith without evidence and, in fact, faith contrary to evidence.

But until we start saying things like “This is a religion” respectable conservatives will be able to keep up the pretense, which makes them their livelihoods, that this discredited nonsense is a Point of View.

More than that, that it is THE Point of View against which those who are called “conservatives” are merely the opposition.

I also keep emphasizing how important it is to realize that our so-called “National Debate” and all the highly publicized Movements are a means for hundreds of thousands of people to make a LIVELIHOOD.

What is debated is as much a market product as your cereal.

When you look at this “National Debate” ask yourself the one important question: Why is this information produced? It is produced by a market.

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  1. #1 by backbaygrouch on 08/16/2010 - 7:00 am

    Communism became a solution in search of a problem. By the 1990s no one could maintain that it was a cure for anything in the economic realm. It latched on to environmentalism which hitherto had been a somewhat upper class WASP do-gooder project. All its prescriptions are similar to the failed Soviet model – Mommy Professor deciding the what, where, amount and how of everyone else’s life on a global scale. It can only lead to stagnation, malallocation of resources, misery, slavery and poverty for all, excepting Mommy Professor, of course. He is special, you see, he has the solution for whatever ails you, just like Medicine Men, Politburos and Snake Oil barkers of yore.

  2. #2 by BGLass on 08/16/2010 - 10:02 am

    I remember the first person who delivered the news I wasn’t nice. They said I was smart and clever and many other things, including too blunt in their view, and could often find solutions that others didn’t think of. But I wasn’t nice. It was a strange revelation— that my own self-concept (I’m so cute and nice.”) had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with anyone else’s experience of me. By contrast to PC talking heads on t.v., however, I was only about five blanking years old. That’s my excuse.

  3. #3 by Epiphany on 08/16/2010 - 10:05 am

    Do not let them forget
    the tens of millions of
    Christians, who, perished
    at the hands of the Soviet
    Communists!

  4. #4 by BGLass on 08/16/2010 - 10:09 am

    Reframing existing naturalized/normalized language helps, too. Like yesterday somebody said another person was “very corporate.” What they REALLY meant was the person is a liar, a scum-bag thief and rip-off artist with absolutely no accountability. In particular, they were addressing the value-less lack of accountability and the “corporate” person’s unconsciousness.

    I don’t believe you— extends to people who cover for them with acceptable lingo, imo.

    It’s ok to ask for clarification. “Do you mean as in a corporate JOB or a characterological scumbag?” Like when people say they are “nice Christians.” Ask them all about it: which sect? why did you chose that over the others? isn’t that just like PC but named Christian and therefore the PC religion? If you’re in the PC religion, then why don’t you just say so? Why are you lying and saying Christianity? Why didn’t you say muslim when you lied, as you might as well? Muslims are about as far from PC as Christians. And so on.

    This used to be called “getting to know other people.” An interest in others.

    Wouldn’t nice people inquire about others?

  5. #5 by Dave on 08/16/2010 - 10:51 am

    That the there is a debate market is insight that needs remembering, because the most important point is all the demographics that don’t participate in the market at all.

    Cereal marketing is not meaningful for very large numbers of people. And yes, the marketing department at Kellogg really is so stupid that they don’t know the size of the American demographic whose meaningful distinction in food is the class distinction between millet eaters and rice eaters. They are too stupid even to ask the question and this kind of stupidity is rife in political marketing too.

    Madison Avenue is a thing of the past. Our corporations waste untold sums on this nonsense and this fact is one the major stories of our times. People think that if they are spending the money it must work. The world is full of idiotic CEOs that let their marketing departments run their product and customer relations strategy. None of these companies has a chance in hell of surviving the current depression.

    It was a very ominous thing when the real Madison Avenue talent realized the jig was up (and remember, this jig has been running in earnest since the end of WWI) when they realized that it was impossible to sell teenage boys anything. It was in the 1990s when teenage boys became impervious to marketing messages, a major development nobody talks about.

    That is when the real talent left Madison Avenue and went elsewhere. There is nobody with brains left on Madison Avenue. It is now a sad sack thing of the past filled up with Ivy League losers (the bottom of the class types) trying to survive in Manhattan on $65K a year.

    The general public, particularly whites, are entirely fooled. They don’t realize how profoundly the world has changed. Most corporate CEOs don’t get it either (this is why the marketing of wireless devices and mobile computing is so idiotic) neither does most of America’s political consultants.

    The fact that teenage boys dropped out of the marketing gig, from the standpoint of being influenced, is a dire warning to politicians. There will be no more hippies and politicians will no longer be protected by this brand of tomfoolery. Bullet in the head time is coming. And our politicians are so stupid they think they are safe, just like our moron CEOs who let marketing run their corporate strategy.

  6. #6 by Simmons on 08/16/2010 - 11:53 am

    I feel sorry for the “elite.” As other commentators have noted it must be hell to sell anything to our fractured idiotic population. Madison Ave seems to be down to one bullet, the bigger boobs bullet.

    But the peace is kept by national taboos that are still observed so as to not disturb the little and not so little cults and their gravy trains.

    Its hilarious if you ask me. Watching the Queer Cult threaten the White TeaParty/NASCAR “watchin” cult to unleash “their niggers” on em’ if they don’t take to their agenda. Even funnier watching and listening to the respectables to try and find any coherence in any of this.

    “I don’t believe you, and watcha goona do sic yer niggers on me?”

    When I hear them fighting words come out of some unhinged TPer I hope to be in my bunker somewhere.

  7. #7 by shari on 08/16/2010 - 1:12 pm

    It sure helps to make sense of it all when you realize that it’s happened before. I wouldn’t have known that, if it weren’t for Bugs. It’s also encouraging to think we are “coming into the end game” as Horus says. You can FEEL totally sick and tired, desparate for “CHANGE” and still feel like you can stand another day.

  8. #8 by Alan B on 08/17/2010 - 12:05 am

    Marketing professionals are pros at coming up with one liners and other catch phrases that are unique, mention a phrase and most of us can identify the product or service.
    Before abortion became the catch all issue for the Left, the need to identify abortion with a womens right to choose was left to the marketing professionals. The catch all they came up with was, Its her body, its her choice or something like that, the marketing pros laughted their asses off each time they tried out a one liner, this one was no different, yet this was serious business for the Left.
    A women named Sanger is the female identifed as the founder of the modern abortion movement. Sanger was a racist, anti black and viewed abortion as a good way to rid society of inferiour races. Today there are schools named after her that non whites attend and they have no clue who she was.
    Today abortion is a big business and this industry does not discriminate, black or white, you have the cash they will perform the service. Today, few know or will admit that the mother of all leftist rights, Abortion, was originally designed to rid society of people of brown skin.

  9. #9 by BGLass on 08/17/2010 - 8:39 am

    …Today abortion is a big business and this industry does not discriminate, black or white, you have the cash they will perform the service. Today, few know or will admit that the mother of all leftist rights, Abortion, was originally designed to rid society of people of brown skin….

    Justice Ginsburg announced that publicly: it was to ‘rid society of people it didn’t want too many of…’ but she never clarified which groups, exactly, she had targeted. Few white gentiles asked, maybe reeling from how often she puts prepositions at the end of sentences. (And how many of those chosen to interpret legal language in English are actually not native speakers of that language, or have parents who refugees, communist or otherwise, who couldn’t speak English, either–the main resume for interpreting English law.)

    Abortion is big business, like the associated rape crisis centers, and psychiatric facilities set up to guard victims of white male patriarchy from hideous things men do, (such as make women pregnant), on large non-profit money, not on individual dough. NOW I think funds a lot of rape centers, even now.

    While it never addressed it openly, the 80s legal cases in womens’ health, and false memory cases, and so on (like Bennett Braun case at Rush Northshore Hospital), almost cracked open more institutional relationships, that period came as close as anything—between iatrogenically inducing illness in women through womens’ health services–and the whole churning mill– from bogus DSM diagnoses, overlap of personnel on boards at APA and psych orgs and DSM, pharm companies (like work of Peter Breggin), drug research, rape crisis centers and other delivery facilities and their relationship with abortion shops, and ideological materials (training women in anti-patriarchy, and showing them how their wounds can never heal, require life-long therapies and isolation from family who might protect them from health care officials who make them sick IN ORDER to rob them, etc..)

    In conjunction with hypnosis, and new ideas about how to use vulnerability, and thought reform, suggested readings, isolating rehabilitation centers, separation from families, lack of sleep techniques in them, and so on, the reformation of much of the female population for state health (abortion, life-long view of oneself as ill, ect). was fairly effective.

  10. #10 by BGLass on 08/17/2010 - 9:14 am

    The whole destructive womens’ health industry, complete with many names of real dead women, needs a name, one of those names with “Complex” in it. From the pro-self-sterilization, birth controls, to the APA, DSM, Pharm axis, forced drugging, and to the academic churning of ideological indoctrination materials, to the delivery systems of schools and rape centers, non-profit and state support— just top to bottom. Some name that sums it up, the female death mill.

  11. #11 by seriouswon on 08/17/2010 - 11:48 am

    You’re right BGLass,there should be a name for all that. I like female death mill but not sure if it will take off (or perhaps it will be derided then accepted like Death Panels). What about Female Independence Complex, Female Liberation Complex or Female Victim Complex….let’s work on this.

    It makes me so angry how White men and women have been duped.

  12. #12 by BGLass on 08/17/2010 - 1:06 pm

    Off topic now, sorry, but: The problem with female death mill is, very true, that it doesn’t clarify that this is a “health care industry” problem. The term Iatrogenic has become somewhat household, though, which is useful. And Munchausen by Proxy. Something that gets that across + “female-death-mill-under-guise-of-health care.” Something pithy.

  13. #13 by Epiphany on 08/19/2010 - 5:38 am

    Feminism is the newest thing.
    Notice, that except for Israel,
    none are allowed to have any
    Nationalist feelings at all.
    Israelis kill Palestinian Arabs
    all the time, and almost none say
    anything about that.

    Feminism is not about love of women, but
    hatred of Men!

  14. #14 by Epiphany on 08/19/2010 - 5:46 am

    It really amazes me,
    when I think of it:
    Feminism is not about
    love for women, and
    Multiculturalism is not
    about love for non Whites.
    Both are about hatred for
    White Men.

    Feminism exists to make
    White Men feel bad about being
    Men and Multiculturalism makes
    him feel bad about being White.
    These movements serve no other
    purpose at all!

  15. #15 by Epiphany on 08/19/2010 - 5:57 am

    I do not notice any PATRIARCHY
    at all, but I do percieve the
    influence of a Conspiracy against
    us Whites. Feminism, or Radical
    Feminism, is a part of that. I
    doubt that Feminism will ever
    catch on among the Third World
    Peoples of this world, however
    much certain female, useful idiots
    might wish it to.

    It was really brilliant of Them,
    in Their evil way, to get the
    White Race to divide along Gender
    lines.

  16. #16 by seriouswon on 08/19/2010 - 12:40 pm

    I doubt Feminism will be pushed on non-White countries by the true elites…it was just for us.

    You brought up Christianity…I’m a Christian too. There’s a bible verse where Christians are advised to be “as wise as serpents, as gentle as doves”. Christians have the “gentle as doves” part down pat. Now it’s time for them to get wise. Why do they have to be wise as SERPENTS? Well, because that’s who we’re dealing with.

    I wonder who the Christians think the serpents are…it isn’t some animal kingdom snake slithering around on the ground!

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