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Does the Mantra express opposition to intermarriage per se, and should we?

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  • #110704

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    A few of us have had some discussion about the short article below. Do you think it would be a good article to display on a BUGS-related site, or a detriment?

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    Being clear on White Genocide and intermarriage

    Extracted from a previous article:

    …intermarriage per se is not the problem for us. The problem is that the flooding of our countries with third worlders, and the laws and propaganda that impel our assimilation with such a large number of third worlders after they’ve arrived, raise the frequency of intermarriage to the point that we will be reduced to very small minorities in our countries or eventually blended out of existence altogether.

    And let’s note that this is not “voluntary,” since we never voted to have our countries flooded with the third world, nor did we vote for the laws and propaganda systems that press our assimilation with that third world.

    If whites were allowed our own homelands as the other races of the world are allowed, and we were rid of laws and propaganda that impel assimilation, intermarriage would occur at such a low rate that it would be inconsequential for our race as a whole, as was the case before the current madness was fastened on us.

    #110708

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    That article points out and hopefully illuminates that the Mantra does not express opposition to intermarriage per se, it expresses opposition to the imposition of conditions that impel mass intermarriage, “with all those non-whites.” I think the article needs to be displayed as a BUGS-approved point on a BUGS-related website where it can be referred to when needed. Below is the first comment to it, by a BUGSer, made during the period it was displayed on FWG. My bold-facing:

    DECEMBER 13, 2017: “I copy/pasted that excerpt recently because I thought it was so powerful. I sent it to an old friend who is married to a non-White woman because I thought it would help explain to him how I felt. I don’t think he is a bad person because of his intermarriage and I had hoped he would understand that I’m against White Genocide and not against him and his wife. He just accused me of being racist and full of hatred. Some people just can’t be reached. It’s like a mental wall that can’t be penetrated. Anti-Whites love to get us to tailgate onto side issues like individual cases of intermarriage because that is a familiar battleground for them.”

    #110709

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    It’s a battleground on which anti-whites can make us just another group of Nazis who oppose intermarriage.

    I’m seeing drift — some BUGSer posts that attack intermarriage per se — and I’m having the same reaction I had many months ago the day one of our group’s steadiest BUGSers used the echo parentheses on BUGS.

    Steps off the path will always occur, due especially to the constant conditioning we receive from the pro-white movement that surrounds us.

    #110713

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    I’ll post just one tweet from a twitter page that has several BUGSer tweets that IMO exhibit drift, and if the BUGSer who posted this one recognizes it, I hope he will forgive me, since almost without exception, all of his tweets are either good or great (truly), rather better than I’d expect to do myself. My bold-facing:

    “If race mixing is so wonderful, why is it imposed on ONLY white countries? Admit it anti-white: it’s not about “race mixing”; it’s about mixing whites out of existence – #WhiteGenocide.”

    Most readers are not going to buy that intermarriage is “imposed,” and that’s just one problem with opposing intermarriage in isolation from the context it’s put in in the Mantra. The conditions that produce intermarriage at a rate high enough to wipe out our race are what is imposed, and that’s easily pointed out. But Sarkozy’s threat isn’t yet policy, I don’t think.

    We used to do this kind of critiquing of each other’s postings more often than we do now. Again, I hope no offense is taken.

    #110719

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    @WmWhite: It sounds like you may be responding to sys op or to Laura, who are the go-to people (sys op especially) if you’re posting comments that aren’t appearing. I don’t see any comments by you that are pending or are located under any other category. I’d be happy to post the comment myself with a statement that it’s yours if you can get it to me some other way, but then it wouldn’t be posted under your name.

    #110729

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    I hope the BUGSer who posted this in a comment on BUGS won’t feel he’s being attacked, although I fear it may appear so…lol! 🙂

    “When I post, the one topic which elicits the most visceral responses is: (interracial marriage/ race mixing) in white and only white countries has only one purpose, White Genocide.”

    Okay, if our metric is visceral responses, how about “Da joos in white countries have only one purpose, White Genocide”?

    Sure, when you attack sacred cows head on, you get visceral responses that blot out the Mantra message you’re trying to deliver, which is why the Mantra doesn’t do that and we don’t do that.

    And intermarriage per se is certainly a sacred cow. Bob describes it: “that God of Respectability, Marriage for Love between a Negro and a white who happen to LOVE each other.” http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2018/09/22/i-think-the-word-displacement-is-fatal-2/

    But in a chat a few of us had about this issue, a BUGSer cited that article in support of BUGSers opposing intermarriage head on. And another BUGSer stated, “We have to outright oppose interbreeding, intermarrying etc.”

    Doing that is a serious corruption of the Mantra and its approach. Where are the memes Bob developed that attack intermarriage outright?

    Bob’s point in that article is that cucks use the term “displacement” instead of “White Genocide” to grasp for respectability (good luck, cucks!) by avoiding any taint of being opposed to the sacred cow of intermarriage. To translate that as Bob’s instruction to BUGSers to confront intermarriage outright instead of in the style of the Mantra is an error in logic, probably a classical one.

    In another article that was cited in that chat, http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2013/02/12/dealing-with-the-true-love-crap/, Bob gives his best response when anti-whites do their intermarriage bit:

    “You are saying that this whole program of immigration and assimilation and chasing down every white on earth who wants to live in a white community is just for True Love?”

    I love that! I can think of a recent occasion on which I wish I’d remembered it. Among its several virtues is the extremely important fact that it doesn’t oppose intermarriage per se, or “outright,” or however you want to say it, but instead, it puts intermarriage exactly in the same context that Bob put it in in the Mantra: mass immigration and assimilation.

    Bob is eternally a delight. How does he do it. By being brilliant, but also by keeping his eye on the ball.

    I’ll repeat that I think the article I pasted into my first comment should be displayed as a BUGS-approved point on a BUGS-related website, where it can be referred to when needed whenever BUGSers stray on this issue, instead of having to go through a whole line of argument each time.

    That reply by Bob should be included with the article as being the best response on the issue.

    I look forward hopefully to some other commentary, especially commentary that disagrees! 🙂

    #110712

    JPOutlook
    Participant

    Intermarriage is more of a problem than immigration as far as B.U.G.S. is concerned because there are so many cuckservatives who stop at, and go no further than, attacking immigration and would rather grovel on their bellies than attack intermarriage.

    J.P.O.

    #110726

    WmWhite
    Participant

    Moore, I agree this (promotion of the interracial destruction of our people) has become a major hurdle for pro-Whites ever since the countercultural revolution of the 60’s. It was never a big problem for Whites in North America from the 1950’s back to the 1600’s, except for the Pocahontas incident and a few frisky French fur trappers.

    BUT and this is a big “but” interracial marriage is one of the axiomatic cornerstones of the White Genocide horde. We as a race could live as a minority anywhere in the world but when we are assimilated through interbreeding with all those non-whites we disappear into the “brown” empty hodgepodge of what the anti-Whites euphemistically call multiculturalism …and we all know what diversity and multiculturalism REALLY represents..

    #110732

    WmWhite
    Participant

    I usually write long responses in WORD before copy/pasting them here. This time I will write directly into the comment box and cross my fingers.

    @WM
    The conversation you want to continue about interracial marriage i.e. (screwing non-whites and having mulatto kids) has been a contentious subject on BUGS for awhile and you are right in bringing it up again since there has been no resolution to the proper Mantra response …probably because there is NO proper dogmatic response.
    You may find this 2013 discussion valuable for the conversation:

    http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2013/01/29/anti-whites-insist-that-integration-must-be-enforced-everywhere-because-whites-dont-want-it/#comments

    with special attention given to following comments: Dick_Whitmans (thru-out) #95, and especially Beefcakes comment #109

    [Do NOT use WORD or any other html word processor to put here. Use a plain text editor like notepad or notetab as the html coding does not play well. — Sys Op]

    #110764

    Laura
    Keymaster

    @WmWhite – boy that is a fantastic thread you have linked. The discussion was extensive there. Thank you for posting that.

    I think it is a mistake to say “…intermarriage per se is not the problem for us.” Intermarriage is what happens when you flood every white country with MILLIONS of non-whites and FORCE assimilate the populations. It is the example Bob gives for the meaning of assimialtion in the Mantra.

    Discussing intermarriage on any level is a tailgate. The anti-white is only seeking to JUSTIFY white genocide with this line of discussion. Don’t let them.

    #110765

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    WmWhite, that’s a dynamite thread, thanks a lot for linking it. I urge all who’ve arrived here since January, 2013 to read that thread.

    #110766

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    “I think it is a mistake to say ‘…intermarriage per se is not the problem for us.’”

    Feedback on articles is always invited!

    If you (or anyone else) would care to comment on them, I’d also be interested to know your thoughts about the BUGSer tweet and recommended posting that I quoted above, as well as your thoughts on the concerns I expressed about each when I quoted them. (The two items are in italics in my comments above at 10/14/2018 at 8:53 pm and 10/16/2018 at 12:17 pm respectively):

    “If race mixing is so wonderful, why is it imposed on ONLY white countries? Admit it anti-white: it’s not about “race mixing”; it’s about mixing whites out of existence – #WhiteGenocide.”

    “When I post, the one topic which elicits the most visceral responses is: (interracial marriage/ race mixing) in white and only white countries has only one purpose, White Genocide.”

    #110767

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    Laura, if I’m hoping you’ll respond specifically to my points, then I should respond specifically to yours:

    “I think it is a mistake to say ‘…intermarriage per se is not the problem for us.’ Intermarriage is what happens when you flood every white country with MILLIONS of non-whites and FORCE assimilate the populations. It is the example Bob gives for the meaning of assimialtion in the Mantra.”

    Interestingly (my mind isn’t telling me what to make of it yet), if I just slightly reword your comment without removing your quote of the article’s opening line, I almost get the actual beginning of the article!

    “…intermarriage per se is not the problem for us, the problem is the intermarriage that happens when you flood every white country with MILLIONS of non-whites and FORCE assimilate the populations.

    But I like the present wording of the opening better because it’s more precise.

    Latecomers: the article is extremely short and is reproduced in the first comment on this thread.

    #110768

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    I’ll be very interested to read all further replies, but I need to try not to post any more on this thread.

    For swarming, I think this reply by Bob is pure gold:

    “You are saying that this whole program of immigration and assimilation and chasing down every white on earth who wants to live in a white community is just for True Love?”

    #110774

    WmWhite
    Participant

    @WM another response written this time on Mac Note ( as suggested by syop) has not shown up after two days. I am wondering if other Bugsters are not writing as much on this site because of the draconian security measures now in place or if it is something to do with Mac? Also TOR does not work on this site …do you know why?

    #110776

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    @WmWhite: It sounds like it’s time for you to give up and just compose directly on the thread, since that worked for you? I’m not going to be any help, since I’m a tech dummy. I’m told I should direct you to post these kind of problems on the Tech thread, where I assume they are likely to be seen and attended to:
    http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/forum-tech-issues-to-keymasters/page/2/

    But yeah, maybe the problem you describe does cut down the discussion here. Post the comment you just posted here on the tech thread.

    #110787

    time for freedom
    Participant

    I usually just say at this point that ‘intermarriage’ is just the “anti-white’s most recent codeword for white genocide.”

    I like to keep things simple and concise. The other person’s response, whatever it is, serves as an opening for Laura’s take on it:

    “Intermarriage is what happens when you flood every white country with MILLIONS of non-whites and FORCE assimilate the populations. I our case this forced process is called White Genocide.”

    But I always open with the shortest comment that I can. If I get away with that then we are done, and I’ve neutralized another anti-white. I not, then I carry with the next longer comment or something very similar to what Laura has stated above. For me, the important thing is NOT to win the ‘debate,’ but rather to continue to impose our terminology, such as ‘anti-white’ and ‘White Genocide’ continually, while simultaneously neutralizing my opponents anti-white terminology. What comes after this is all ideology,and that will favor us pro-white who lay this ground work.

    Hope this makes sense.

    #110772

    WmWhite
    Participant

    Mistake: it was not Beefcake comment 109 it was #106

    I have copied it here again because it makes good sense and helps answer why intermarriage I.e.(producing mullatto kids) is part of the anti-white Genocide agenda.

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    Anti-White, “Nobody is forcing anyone to Intermarry”

    Beefcake, “BULLSHIT!”

    “Anti-Whites insist Whites cannot be allowed anywhere exclusive for our race, and they enforce conditions which lead to interracial marriages intended to destroy our race.

    Nobody is insisting that Blacks need to be prevented from having anything exclusive in order to inflict conditions which lead to intermarriages intended to destroy Blacks as a race and then telling them “nobody is forcing you to intermarry”.

    Saying that intermarriage isn’t being forced is trying to conceal the fact that the conditions which lead to intermarriage ARE being FORCED.”

    #110784

    WmWhite
    Participant

    “Anti-Whites insist Whites cannot be allowed anywhere exclusive for our race, and they enforce conditions which lead to interracial marriages intended to destroy our race.

    Nobody is insisting that Blacks need to be prevented from having anything exclusive in order to inflict conditions which lead to intermarriages intended to destroy Blacks as a race and then telling them “nobody is forcing you to intermarry”.

    Saying that intermarriage isn’t being forced is trying to conceal the fact that the conditions which lead to intermarriage ARE being FORCED.”

    from Beefcake

    #110837

    Wuntz Moore
    Keymaster

    Beefcake’s podcasts are a treasure that should be preserved and listened to by BUGSers old and (especially) new, but I think that first sentence by him quoted by WmWhite is unfortunately worded:

    “Anti-Whites insist Whites cannot be allowed anywhere exclusive for our race, and they enforce conditions which lead to interracial marriages intended to destroy our race.”

    If that wording was on an early podcast that I helped edit, and it slipped by me, I goofed. This is the wording I would have recommended:

    “Anti-Whites insist Whites cannot be allowed anywhere exclusive for our race, and they enforce conditions which lead to a rate of interracial marriage that’s intended to destroy our race.”

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