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Mantra Thinking on the Propositional State

Posted by Bob on February 17th, 2008 under History, Mantra


Our established religion of Political Correctness cites Hitler and says one cannot have freedom of thought and racism together.

Historically, freedom of thought was developed. not in New England, but in the increasingly slave-holding South. New England was Wordist, the South was racist.

Likewise, South America and France are cited as places where interracial marriage is an ideal. It is called assimilacion, in the case of Brazil asimilacao, and has been the ideal for centuries in Latin lands. In those countries the Inquisition made it a matter of life and death whether you agreed to the Proposition that was the Counter Reformation.

Freedom of speech was condemned in Puritan New England and in Catholic Latin America.

The reason for this is as obvious as it is ignored.

It is this: You cannot have a society based on a Proposition AND freedom of opinion.

A society which is only held together by an opinion cannot have freedom of opinion.

PERIOD.

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  1. #1 by backbaygrouch4 on 02/17/2008 - 7:06 am

    “A society which is only held together by an opinion cannot have freedom of opinion.” In arguing against America as a propositional nation I have relied on the Preamble to the Constitution. “For ourselves and our posterity.” This is a jugular thrust. The historical approach is ultimately mere anecdote. This is a logical lock. Mantra thinking brings a gun to a knife fight. Bang. You’re dead.

    Liberty is incompatible with a propositional nation. Thanks for another silver bullet.

  2. #2 by Dave on 02/17/2008 - 11:15 am

    But the critical matter is how tyranny twists things. This is particularly salient with freedom of speech and thought.

    Accordingly, we now have a “Hugh Hefner First Amendment”, courtesy of the “Greatest Generation”. And before the Internet killed the San Fernando Valley porn industry, the industry would preface its offerings by celebrating “our First Amendment right” (the visuals would show a waving American flag) to watch pornography. This was on all fours with the true beliefs and goals of the “Greatest Generation”.

    Hugh Hefner, the spiritual and ideological leader of the “Greatest Generation”, believed that freedom meant the right to send pornographic magazines through the mail, which included the right to throw up porno shows in local theaters and in halls of fraternal organizations.

    It was only later, after the porn industry really got off the ground, that he got around to extending this to family television.

    I am not exaggerating about the “Greatest Generation” and their commitment to pornography. Almost to a man they believed that the proof that “freedom” had triumphed over tyranny in WWII was because condoms were easily obtainable in any American drug store and Playboy magazines could be had at any check out counter rack.

    This was in accord with Hollywood’s definition of “freedom” also, a definition it promoted well before the War. The worst thing about Nazism according to Hollywood, besides its penchant for killing Jews, was that the evil Nazis would have suppressed porn theater, the availability of condoms, and Playboy magazine.

    Later, the Boomers following the attitudes and beliefs of their fathers on the First Amendment, evolved their father’s attitudes about “freedom” to mean that anything in the cultural sphere that assaulted dignity and decency, promoted vulgarity, extolled degeneracy and dereliction, romanticized criminality and psychopaths, elevated unwholesomeness and the destruction of innocence, and was just plain spiritually and psychologically damaging (especially to children), was to mean a public “good” that extended “freedom”.

    This ideology drove many a hippie lawyer into the arms of the ACLU.

    This gambit hit an apex with the mainstreaming of Quentin Tarantino’s and Richard Rodriquez’s (both Baby Boom generation Hollywood successes) bacchanalian celebrations of psychopathic Satanism held out to be “art” and heavily promoted in the mainstream distribution channels as “family entertainment”.

    Today we are supposed to ignore the fact that that this doctrine in the hands of the mainstream media has morphed into one of most ghastly, ruthless, and cruel programs of tyranny in all of human history.

    No people ever have suffered such a cruel psychological assault as we suffer in America under this doctrine, which today holds anything whatsoever is permissible as long as it offends decency, beats down and wounds the human spirit, destroys the innocence of children, and makes wholesome family life impossible.

    The only thing that is not permitted is the word “nigger” and the idea that white people do anything valuable.

    Accordingly, American culture in our time with its unlimited permissions is in fact utterly horrible, ghastly, and awful. Its present form is an abomination that is as savagely cruel as anything can be, a real historical outlier in the field of officially sanctioned cruelty and brutality.

    It breaks my heart to see the desperate attempts, really spontaneous reactions, by family groups and religious and other types of organizations to find sanctuary from the ghastly assaults that have long been daily, mainstream, and ubiquitous under the glorious “freedom” we now enjoy courtesy of the “Greatest Generation” and their Baby Boom offspring.

    Like hell this doctrine constitutes “freedom”. It constitutes slavery, pure and simple.

    I really believe, that if progress does occur, that at some time in future people will look back on our era in complete disbelief. They will simply be incapable of comprehending how things could have become culturally that awful, that cruel, that bestial, and that ghastly.

    Our slavery is so severe that we really are being reduced to the state of animals under the dehumanizing media regime of the “Greatest Generation” and their Boomer offspring.

    Accordingly, a revolution waits.

  3. #3 by Simmons on 02/17/2008 - 11:51 am

    First, Bob that is a great bit of logic (very large bit). Second, Dave is spot on, but what will happen is that our side will keep on the same track shriek and retreat. What I propose is to actually question the virtue of what is inflicted upon us. Doing so is much more effective than playing the part of reactionary dupe as we have for decades. Its easy to say that MTV is crap its another to have the producers actually defend their garbage. Its mantra thinking, forcing them to defend their position.

  4. #4 by shari on 02/17/2008 - 2:40 pm

    Dave, You bring back a lot of memories of myown years of raising children. I felt like the wind was blowing 90mph for years. If you protested anything you were sweetly told that “parents are responsible” just change the channel etc. I remember one time when my daughter, about 7or8, came home from an over nighter with a friend and said “we watched Silence of the Lambs last night,”
    We live in an area with many well-to-do, liberal minded people and they were always happy to take my children somewhere, while we couldn’t afford it.

    All four are grown and have worked very hard with little to show. It hasn’t been easy, but what I’m most amazed and thankful for, is not one of them is a tatooed, pierced, psychological mess.

    As a “boomer” a revolution is fine with me

  5. #5 by shari on 02/17/2008 - 4:33 pm

    A society with no strong opinions becomes an ant-heap. Mobs and riots are not strong opinions, building up anything. To have and keep a strong opinion, it has to be tested and defended constantly, and so white survival is vital and not just a childish obsession.

  6. #6 by AFKAN on 02/18/2008 - 12:16 am

    in reply to Dave:

    you wrote:

    But the critical matter is how tyranny twists things. This is particularly salient with freedom of speech and thought.

    Accordingly, we now have a “Hugh Hefner First Amendment”, courtesy of the “Greatest Generation”. And before the Internet killed the San Fernando Valley porn industry, the industry would preface its offerings by celebrating “our First Amendment right” (the visuals would show a waving American flag) to watch pornography. This was on all fours with the true beliefs and goals of the “Greatest Generation”.

    Hugh Hefner, the spiritual and ideological leader of the “Greatest Generation”, believed that freedom meant the right to send pornographic magazines through the mail, which included the right to throw up porno shows in local theaters and in halls of fraternal organizations.

    It was only later, after the porn industry really got off the ground, that he got around to extending this to family television.

    I am not exaggerating about the “Greatest Generation” and their commitment to pornography. Almost to a man they believed that the proof that “freedom” had triumphed over tyranny in WWII was because condoms were easily obtainable in any American drug store and Playboy magazines could be had at any check out counter rack.

    This was in accord with Hollywood’s definition of “freedom” also, a definition it promoted well before the War. The worst thing about Nazism according to Hollywood, besides its penchant for killing Jews, was that the evil Nazis would have suppressed porn theater, the availability of condoms, and Playboy magazine.

    in reply:
    The more I look at the real history of World War II, the deeper my anger at what we did, and what the outcomes were, for us.

    The more I look at the implications of “freedom” for us, the more I realize they simply confused the idea of “freedom” with the idea of “liberty,” and that was confused with the right to be mindless, easily manipulated libertines, rather than the mindful stewards of Civilization.

    This is mindful of Burnham’s observation, that the West committed suicide by not expanding, even internally…

    you wrote:

    Later, the Boomers following the attitudes and beliefs of their fathers on the First Amendment, evolved their father’s attitudes about “freedom” to mean that anything in the cultural sphere that assaulted dignity and decency, promoted vulgarity, extolled degeneracy and dereliction, romanticized criminality and psychopaths, elevated unwholesomeness and the destruction of innocence, and was just plain spiritually and psychologically damaging (especially to children), was to mean a public “good” that extended “freedom”.

    This ideology drove many a hippie lawyer into the arms of the ACLU.

    This gambit hit an apex with the mainstreaming of Quentin Tarantino’s and Richard Rodriquez’s (both Baby Boom generation Hollywood successes) bacchanalian celebrations of psychopathic Satanism held out to be “art” and heavily promoted in the mainstream distribution channels as “family entertainment”.

    in reply:
    True; these values are the inversion of the values that made the West great. I’ll have more to say about that in a later piece.

    you wrote:

    Today we are supposed to ignore the fact that this doctrine in the hands of the mainstream media has morphed into one of most ghastly, ruthless, and cruel programs of tyranny in all of human history.

    No people ever have suffered such a cruel psychological assault as we suffer in America under this doctrine, which today holds anything whatsoever is permissible as long as it offends decency, beats down and wounds the human spirit, destroys the innocence of children, and makes wholesome family life impossible.

    The only thing that is not permitted is the word “nigger” and the idea that white people do anything valuable.

    Accordingly, American culture in our time with its unlimited permissions is in fact utterly horrible, ghastly, and awful. Its present form is an abomination that is as savagely cruel as anything can be, a real historical outlier in the field of officially sanctioned cruelty and brutality.

    in reply:
    This, in part, is why I am not a “Conservative”; as I told my Church-going friends, “This was the result of a the decisions of a Federal judiciary appointed by ‘Conservative’ presidents. Stop playing Charlie Brown with the football.”

    The ease with which this evil can penetrate every element of our public square, alone, qualifies it as a “historical outlier”; it’s easy to get, and lends itself very well to being remade in the image of the observer. Given elementary digital tools, not only can we easily obtain these perversions, we can remake them in our image…

    you wrote:

    It breaks my heart to see the desperate attempts, really spontaneous reactions, by family groups and religious and other types of organizations to find sanctuary from the ghastly assaults that have long been daily, mainstream, and ubiquitous under the glorious “freedom” we now enjoy courtesy of the “Greatest Generation” and their Baby Boom offspring.

    in reply:
    I have been working on an alternative history (FICTION!) biography of someone who strongly resembles the late Dr. Sam Francis. He decides the only alternative is to form a Community organized around Victorian standards, as an island of Civilization in a failed America gone mad. The Church Elders play a very decisive role in enforcing stability, and have as their simple test, “Is it BEST for the RACE?”

    That simple question clears away a lot of the moral ambiguities where amorality lies in wait.

    No television in this society, by the way.

    you wrote:

    Like hell this doctrine constitutes “freedom”. It constitutes slavery, pure and simple.

    I really believe, that if progress does occur, that at some time in future people will look back on our era in complete disbelief. They will simply be incapable of comprehending how things could have become culturally that awful, that cruel, that bestial, and that ghastly.

    Our slavery is so severe that we really are being reduced to the state of animals under the dehumanizing media regime of the “Greatest Generation” and their Boomer offspring.

    in reply:
    So, the current “media regime” – controlled by our Racial Enemies, the Jews – is intentionally trying to “reduce (us) to the state of animals.”

    Is that “animals,” as in “goyim,” “livestock,” and “cattle?”

    Yes.

    Yes, it is.

    And, our institutions have become their willing co-conspirators…

    you wrote:

    Accordingly, a revolution waits.

    in reply:
    The question is, “When and in what form will this revolution take?”

    The only answer can be, “Cultural, in the absence of a central governing body in anything more than name.”

    Incidentally, I think this is part and parcel of what frustrated the late Dr. Sam Francis. He recognized, too late, that the only solutions were based on Race – First, Foremost, Forever – and the only place this could take place would be at a safe distance from the current social order.

    As I remind my nephews every day, “Gentlemen, the Game was never won on defense. At a certain point, you have to take the war to the Enemy, on YOUR terms.”

    The foundation of those terms is Race – First, Foremost, Forever.

    More to follow…

  7. #7 by Prometheus on 02/18/2008 - 2:12 am

    A society based on words must control words. A society based on race, must control race.

    But there is one important difference, one is free to choose words, but NOT free to choose thier race.

    The latter state does not infringe upon the choices you make, the former state requires you accept the propositions of the day. You must control your own words, or accept authorities that will control them for you. What these propositions are, change over time depending on who gets to decide which makes it even more oppresive.

  8. #8 by Simmons on 02/18/2008 - 10:00 am

    Well thought out postings, yet Buckleyesque in form. Buckeley was all defense all the time, and I’ll bet he was quite perturbed to find that some on the right actually wanted to topple the USSR. Maybe Bob could confirm that? So anyone here imagine going in front of an MTV crowd and giving the answers posted above, you would be eaten alive by the mob. Now go in front of them with a Mantra derived argument that puts them on the defensive, who dominates? Most of the above are pessimist renditions the time honored method of the right, and a quickly failing way to make a living (its a full field of wordist losers see the conservative websites). So down the road here if Bob seperates the pessimist renditions into their own threads I’ll dissect them and do my best to make them usefull.

  9. #9 by AFKAN on 02/18/2008 - 3:49 pm

    in reply to Simmons:

    Far too much energy has been wasted on our side by attacking each other. I ‘m not going to be a part of that.

    I will note this – if my comment is what you are referring to when you refer to “pessimist renditions the time honored method of the right,” then simply say so.

    Here is why you are wrong.

    Bob made an astute point some time ago, when he said that no man of wisdom turns forty without thinking to himself, “I’ve been a fool.”

    That is the beginning of wisdom.

    Doing something about it is the hallmark of Active Masculine Wisdom – the wisdom of the Patriarch.

    I don’t think I am at all pessimistic.

    I am far more optimistic than almost any man I know, but my focus is not on the here and now, which resembles nothing so much as a bad situation becoming worse.

    My focus is on undoing the mental damage done to the Minds of my nephews, who have every reason to be pessimists – IF they had stayed where they were, where they were born, raised, and lived all of their lives, while work went away.

    They are of the MTV Generation you refer to, and did not have any goals or aspirations more than getting paid for minimum wage jobs on Friday, and laid on Friday night.

    I have been working with them as much as possible to prepare them for a future which will require Intelligent Revolutionaries.

    THINK of all of the SPGG guys, when they realize the promises they extracted from the Government have turned to the intrinsic value of paper, and the value of their futures have been marked to market.

    I have watched them talking with the MTV Generation – their age peers – at the local library, and I’ll let you in on a little secret: the MTV Generation is incapable of independent thought, and has been groomed to be herd animals.

    I don’t want them to waste their time like I did, by being rational with the irrational.

    I want them to develop an independent skill set, and a Mindset, where they will be Patriarchs of a New Order in time.

    This summer, I’ll send them across America – circling the entire country – on Greyhound, and let them SEE what the television is keeping from them in terms of the developing social reality.

    I suspect they will return will a thorough commitment to Civilization, and a philosophy based on Race – First, Foremost, Forever.

    Pessimist?

    No.

    I have them look in the eyes of the Obama Worshipers, the same ignorant, fat White people who follow Oprah, and tell them, “This is the face of the Enemy. These are the faces that will turn and rend you.”

    They, too, are of the MTV Generation.

    They are not in the least bit amenable to “reason,” and are virtually incapable of abstract thought. They DO have a strong herd awareness, an electronically induced perversion of the needed Racial Consciousness, of Themselves, and the Others.

    I am not a pessimist.

    Neither are they.

    Back to work!

  10. #10 by AFKAN on 02/18/2008 - 4:38 pm

    By the way, a quick comment on Bob’s observation, “A society which is only held together by an opinion cannot have freedom of opinion.”

    Am I alone in noticing that the Ron Paul Campaign seems to have literally had the lights turned off, overnight, quickly, quietly, and silently?

    Am I alone in noticing that Libertarian Ideals ran into *SOMETHING* that just hit the “OFF” switch?

    Am I alone in noticing that the foundation of what could have been to the future what the Goldwater Campaign was to the Reagan Revolution seems to have been suddenly, dramatically, short-circuited?

    My nephews told me the local Ron Paul Meet-Up seems to be inactive; “Don’t call us, we’ll get back to you” seems to be the message.

    Fortunately, they were using the Ron Paul Meet-Up to Meet-Up with worthwhile young ladies, and they just got a lesson in bare-knuckle politics…

    Their Focus will be on building a Nation…

    Bet on it.

    Ron Paul’s Proposition – based on freedom of opinion – just ran into the cold, hard fact that Proposition Nations can not have freedom of opinion, in practice.

  11. #11 by Simmons on 02/18/2008 - 6:46 pm

    I thought those posts bitch sessions with no answers. Your second post much different and positive. Authority be it from whatever source never collapses if it is never questioned, and I hope you are questioning your nephews as to their opinions on what passes for authority today.

  12. #12 by mderpelding on 02/18/2008 - 7:50 pm

    C’Mon…

    “New England was Wordist, the South was racist”.

    On a southern plantation, blacks served as field workers, butlers, cooks, nannies, and ladies maids in waiting.

    I am a racist. I want nothing to do with our so-called African-American citizens.

    I live in a white suburban community. I send my children to safe white school districts.

    I am a racist.

    I would never allow a “black” person to cook my food or watch my kids nor make my bed.

    Those so-called “Southern Racists” allowed all of that, didn’t they?

    The whole problem with the Southern aristocracy wasn’t that they were “racist”.

    It was and is that they were “pragmatists”.

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