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    We have very limited control over how the talking points manifest themselves throughout the population as they`re spread and repeated.

    Lecturing news and jewser on “never” using the mantra points in their stuff is a silly time waste, and oh look, you`re starting up a “let`s have a debate” routine into that thread like you`ve done so many times before when it`s not been needed.


    My response post on thread:

    Harumpty Dumpty thinks we should be ordering other pro-whites to never use any parts of the mantra forgetting that the rest of the white population will also be using the mantra in whatever way they want to.



    They haven’t approved that excerpt yet, so I’ll go ahead and post it here.  If anyone thinks this does damage to BUGS via an unfavorable association, then by all means, contact Brian to have it removed.  As it stands, I suppose I think that it would be fine to post.

    Anyhow, the true confirmation of Mantra Logic comes, ultimately, from using and understanding it.  However, “corroborating”/supporting evidences are always nice (at least from my point of view).  I was simply blown away by this passage on propaganda, specifically as to how it ties in with BUGS and Mantra Philosophy.  So here’s what I posted on SF:


    “The Struggle of the Noble Wolf”:  Excerpts from pp. 176-185, Miehnam Translation… if you get my drift.  Emphases obviously added.

    Ever since I have been scrutinizing political events, I have taken a tremendous interest in propagandist activity… But it was not until the War that it became evident what immense results could be obtained by a correct application of propaganda. Here again, unfortunately, all our studying had to be done on the enemy side, for the activity on our side was modest, to say the least… There was often more than enough time for thinking, and the enemy offered practical instruction which, to our sorrow, was only too good. For what we failed to do, the enemy did, with amazing skill and really brilliant calculation. I, myself, learned enormously from this enemy war propaganda. But time passed and left no trace in the minds of all those who should have benefited; partly because they considered themselves too clever to learn from the enemy, partly owing to lack of good will…

    If the so-called responsible authorities had been clear on this point, they would never have fallen into such uncertainty over the form and application of this weapon: for even propaganda is no more than a weapon, though a frightful one in the hand of an expert…

    The second really decisive question was this: To whom should propaganda be addressed? To the scientifically trained intelligentsia or to the less educated masses?

    It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses…

    The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses’ attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision… [propaganda’s] effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect.

    All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be. But if, as in propaganda for sticking out a war, the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be exerted in this direction.

    The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a propaganda campaign, and not success in pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes.

    The art of propaganda lies in understanding the emotional ideas of the great masses and finding, through a psychologically correct form, the way to the attention and thence to the heart of the broad masses. The fact that our bright boys do not understand this merely shows how mentally lazy and conceited they are.

    Once we understand how necessary it is for propaganda to be adjusted to the broad mass, the following rule results:

    It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instance.

    The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out…

    There was no end to what could be learned from the enemy by a man who kept his eyes open, refused to let his perceptions be ossified, and for four and a half years privately turned the stormflood of enemy propaganda over in his brain…

    But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.

    Particularly in the field of propaganda, we must never let ourselves be led by aesthetes or people who have grown blasé: not by the former, because the form and expression of our propaganda would soon, instead of being suitable for the masses, have drawing power only for literary teas; and of the second we must beware, because, lacking in any fresh emotion of their own, they are always on the lookout for new stimulation. These people are quick to weary of everything; they want variety, and they are never able to feel or understand the needs of their fellow men who are not yet so callous. They are always the first to criticize a propaganda campaign, or rather its content, which seems to them too old-fashioned, too hackneyed, too out-of-date, etc. They are always after novelty, in search of a change, and this makes them mortal enemies of any effective political propaganda. For as soon as the organization and the content of propaganda begin to suit their tastes, it loses all cohesion and evaporates completely.

    The purpose of propaganda is not to provide interesting distraction for blasé young gentlemen, but to convince, and what I mean is to convince the masses. But the masses are slow-moving, and they always require a certain time before they are ready even to notice a thing, and only after the simplest ideas are repeated thousands of times will the masses finally remember them.

    When there is a change, it must not alter the content of what the propaganda is driving at, but in the end must always say the same thing. For instance, a slogan must be presented from different angles, but the end of all remarks must always and immutably be the slogan itself. Only in this way can the propaganda have a unified and complete effect.

    This broadness of outline from which we must never depart, in combination with steady, consistent emphasis, allows our final success to mature. And then, to our amazement, we shall see what tremendous results such perseverance leads to – to results that are almost beyond our understanding.

    All advertising, whether in the field of business or politics, achieves success through the continuity and sustained uniformity of its application.

    Daniel Genseric

    “Mantra thinking 101, it took most of us YEARS to get where we currently are.”

    Right. So, let’s please try and remember that WE didn’t arrive by Bob encouraging us to overdose on News & Jews or Stats & Facts and hoping we’d blackout again. Hell, he didn’t even try to ween us off that junk.

    We cringed at the bright light he showed us as he hollered, “Screw you!”, threw the bucket of ice water on us and snarled, “You’re going to do it cold turkey damn it.”

    You don’t get Mantra disciplines without taking in disciples.


    I’m hoping the N&J-ers just won’t have much interest in Mantra posting (in the “hybrid” form some seem to apparently be toying with).

    There is nothing we can do except make our disapproval clear.  I haven’t actually seen much of that.

    The only thing I have seen is someone making “northwest org” the last line of their Minis, which I wish they would please stop.

    Are any of the SFers people with a strong work ethic?  Is there a subset of them that post anything compulsively? That would be the subset to go after in my mind.  Although, there were compulsive posters over at TOO and they were useless for any real work.  I say, don’t waste too much time trying to recruit people who apparently aren’t ready yet.  But keep finding new avenues for recruitment.

    When I get a positive feedback from someone over on Yahoo or youtube, I will send them to whitegenocideproject to start.

    Henry Davenport

    @dungeoneer: oh, that IS you.

    I disobeyed my own advice and wasted an evening there.

    Dungeoneer, there’s a difference in my mind between accepting the inevitable and hastening it and strengthening it. Why did you encourage him?

    You say a debate about this isn’t needed, I say it is. Or at least may be.

    I’m inclined to think pro-whites aren’t active enough to turn the Mantra into just another swastika painted on the wall (sorry, I’ve fallen in love with my phrasing there), and we should just ignore them. But I was so astonished that a bugster…and a “traditionalist” like yourself of all people…would actually offer him encouragement.

    I’m sleepy and not too bright at the moment, so I’ll desist for now.

    Daniel Genseric

    @mein Bruder, the Weirwood

    That’s a shame and surely you understand why there’s not much chance it will see the light of day.

    Truth does not care who rings its name nor does it look to see who carries the note. Its only concern is for fidelity.

    The same can be said of passion. A person who does not harbor both deep within their heart is a person who has no business here.

    Henry Davenport

    @ seapea: Forget getting anything useful out of those types. If they were smart enough to come up with anything useful (I think of Byron Calvert, who was smart enough that he accomplished quite a bit with his own methods) they would be smart enough to see the value of the Mantra and use it (Calvert fell for Bob’s writings very strongly…I”m not certain how he felt about our approach with the Mantra, but I assume he felt okay about it).

    Those types sometimes PM me stuff at SF…they find the Mantra stuff worthy enough to deserve being made better by their own improvements, which come in the form of reams of barely readable material.

    I’m so angry at myself for wasting this evening there. I guess I need to even stay away from reading Bugs for a few days, since I need to finish a lot of stuff to be ready for the new petitions Friday, and I have so little self control.


    J M C

    ASW, thank you SO much for that post. Can this be made into a reference page of it’s own?



    Don’t be angry at yourself!  You are doing research and saving the rest of us from going down paths that don’t work.   You are a good recruiter.  In a sense, you recruited me.  We just need to find better places to find disciples.


    Originally Posted by Rrabbits View Post
    “Harumpty Dumpty thinks we should be ordering other pro-whites to never use any parts of the mantra forgetting that the rest of the white population will also be using the mantra in whatever way they want to.”

    “Yeah, there’ll even be a few who will like the Mantra so much that they’ll mix it in with their child porn collection.

    So why don’t WE do that, since they’re going to do it anyway?”

    “Keep trolling HD”

    Henry Davenport

    “You are doing research and saving the rest of us from going down paths that don’t work.”

    Lol, Jason! You’ve made me feel so much better! 😀

    Actually, I’ve learned so much dealing with these pro-whites, and any day now I’ll start acting on it and start staying away from them. Except with the petition stuff.

    But it’s not going to keep anyone else from going down the same path, I don’t think. Horus told me everything I’m learning long ago, I believe.

    A couple of helpful things he posted tonight: “Dissidents hate consistent messages. They especially hate using anything they did not themselves write.”

    I guess I’ve never known anyone like that. Who would want to, they sound nuts. I don’t really get it. It sounds like people so crushed in childhood or infancy that their every act as adults is turned into an effort to establish their own independent identity.

    Dungeoneer, I’m not understanding what point you’re trying to make about our exchange on SF, and definitely not understanding what you mean by describing my activity there as trolling. If you think it important, you might explain it to me.

    I like the way you’re handling British 74, though. Better than my nasty responses. He does good, not harm, and won’t change* so good to encourage him.

    But not the ones that mix in J stuff, right? Wrong?

    *Or maybe he will change. When encouraged in what they’re doing, sometimes people relax and don’t need to be so defensive.

    Henry Davenport

    The guy that started that thread agreed to sign our petition btw.



    LOL at myself.  I think I phrased that badly.  What I mean is, you are doing advanced experimental work, trying to recruit, and some things will work, and some won’t.  I don’t have a clue what to do, so I learn from your experiences.

    Daniel Genseric

    “You were serious about that? Oh my lord. You should stick to the whole “Repeat Mantra” thing they teach you over at Bob’s site and not try to freestyle your version of historical events. And that’s not even me being mean, I’m just saying, you need to crack a few dozen books before explaining things to folks here. Have you been talking to Genseric?”


    More AMPW, doubting Thomas tripe:

    “You are attempting to justify white genocide by blaming it on the victims. Classy. What have YOU done for white children lately?”

    Daniel Genseric

    I hate to say it, but I told you so again. The “moderators” really believe they are moderating. They ask us to tone it down while anti-white trolls are free to attack Bob and the Mantra, which they routinely prove they have never even THOUGHT about trying. But, that’s not enough. NO sir.

    They are then given carte blanche to make veiled death threats against those of us who do and the mods pretend as if it never happened. What’s more stupid than a WHITE anti-white? I think we found our answer.

    Another example of freedom to assault our hard work and the author of the Mantra:

    “As I see it, the only purpose thus far served by those using the mantra is to divide white nationalists amongst themselves.”

    It’s simple. Stormfront needs BUGS, not the other way around.

    Secret Squirrel

    BUGS needs a BUGS moderator IMO. If they aren’t there to learn how to use the Mantra, they should go discuss their “theories” and “opinions” elsewhere.

    Daniel Genseric

    MORE “White Nationalist” Tolerance:

    “Hey, this is BUGS. Rational discourse and intellectual analysis take a backseat to the chanted intonation of the holy catechisms of Saint Bob, the enraptured hearing of his sermons on how to be more like him, and of course the burning of heretics, namely those who believe it is possible to respond to a detractor without a pants-crappingly terrified recitation of the “mantra”.”

    Daniel Genseric

    How many jackass “Pro-Whites” can we count in these AMPW threads?? I mean, do they not realize Don Black pony’s up big bucks to make the PRACTICAL POLITICS seminar work? Who do they think pulled the trigger on a Swarmfront subforum? Who do they think is responsible for making anti-whites “racist” gun-shy. Who do they think forced the media’s hand to introduce pro-white terminology on a grand scale? Who do they… oh screw it.

    We don’t need their validation, we already have something better. duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…


    Suepeace: “Agreed. Neither side should attack or criticize the other”

    Rrabbits: “Unless a so-called pro-white sides with the anti-white Establishment by saying the global elimination of our race via mass immigration and “assimilation” imposed on ALL white countries and ONLY white countries is not genocide under international law.

    Read this thread and see if you can spot the people trying to steer others in that direction:
    “I question the usefulness of the Mantra”


    Let`s see the circus monkeys twist out of that.

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