Thank you (Simmons) for the consideration, as Shari has noted. No apologies needed. People don’t know what a masculine mindset IS! Let’s hear some Mantra thinking on THAT!
Feminine is the inferior, looking up to the superior… as in privates looking up to sergeants. It’s not competence necessarily, it’s rank order. It doesn’t matter if feminine agrees or not. It just is. It is satisfying to watch when men understand how to “prove that.” Bob understood even in the brick plant as a youngster.
— SysOps
Thanks, SysOps. It is true that women especially like a man to perform his role. It is easy to forget that throughout history women were busy producing the number of children it took to keep the population stable and undergoing birth pains that would make the average Greatest Generation braggart run like a rabbit.
The casualty rate in childbirth, taken for granted, was a lot higher than a WWII battle.
So women do appreciate it MORE when a man takes up his job.
But it is critical for men to remember that not only women need compliments, which a Real Man is supposed to deny. You talk about my brick plant years. The uneducated white men deeply appreciated my taking over the leadership role.
All those poor white men followed OUR aristocracy into battle in the Civil War precisely because they were used to LEADERSHIP.
I despise Tough Guys. A Tough Guy with no sense of humor is almost invariably one who has not really been through a lot. I remember the “Greatest Generation” when it came back from the war, and it was nothing like the old spoiled clowns they are today. They talked very little about their experiences and they didn’t say they fought the war for race mixing, etc.
Now they were all John Wayne in battle and Martin Luther King in politics. They have been spoiled rotten.
In reaction by the sixties there was a lot of talk about a man “showing his emotions,” In the sixties it was long hair and flowers. In the eighties many a woman in recovery talked about how sick she was of having men blubbering at them and expecting sex for it.
If you have really been through hell, you know how to ask for emotional support. You have a sense of humor. Or you end up on the Funny Farm. But, as in all things dealing with real life, you have to tell for yourself who is being a Flower Child or blubbering in your lap for fashion or something else and who is asking for help.
In other words, men try to read the magazines and learn the fashions and emote accordingly, just the way women do. They do it differently, but it is still up to the opposite sex, EITHER opposite sex, to figure them out.
#1 by Dave on 12/17/2007 - 7:28 pm
Only a profound ignorance leads anyone to believe that there is an enhancement of masculinity (battlefield trials) or femininity (childbirth and the trials of child rearing) in the endurance of hardships.
For a man to go to war to find out that justice does not exist is absurd. There is a reason every waking day of our lives someone somewhere is trying to serve us justice and the reason doesn’t involve the circumstance that justice is abundant.
The ability to forget is one of life’s most useful skills. That is why the WWII combat vets kept their yaps shut in the early post war years. But the value of that “forgetting” was not unique to their circumstances as combat vets. They were simply coping as we all must cope when dealing with unpleasant things.
And they were close enough to the actual combat to know that there was nothing in it worth knowing or retelling. That is a conceit of Hollywood, an industry that garners its profit from fooling people into believing that they are observers of their own lives.
History always becomes myth after three generations, after the last of the first person witnesses have died.
But the forgetting of the truth happens much faster. WWII became a myth at the very moment the WWII generation became too old to remember it correctly. We can actually date the moment: That is when Tom Brokaw wrote the book “The Greatest Generation”.
The Civil War became a myth when the old Virginian uttered to his Confederate comrade- in-arms the phrase “waving the bloody shirt” at the local Fourth of July picnic, without feeling real bitterness and abuse. I would guess that was around WWI time, about the time most Civil War vets were entering late middle age or old age. That was enough time for them to forget the truth. By the 1920’s the Civil War had become such a myth that all the current nonsense about WWII compares to it quite nicely.
It simply amazes me how most people make up a fiction of their own past and really believe it. Ever meet an old high school classmate that you have completely forgotten about years before?
It has happened to me several times and I have been regaled by the most bizarre inaccuracies in the recounting of events I personally witnessed and characterizations of persons I actually knew. I think to myself, “Doesn’t this person realize I was actually there?” Then I realize that he or she truly believes what they are telling me. It’s bizarre.
But it is also very ordinary.
#2 by mderpelding on 12/17/2007 - 9:35 pm
Modern sexual roles are taught in our schools.
The confusion exists because people now believe that they are helpless and thoughtless without the expert ministrations of professional teachers.
Our identities are no longer innate.
They are instead learned.
Note the quote…
“If you have really been through hell, you know how to ask for emotional support. You have a sense of humor. Or you end up on the Funny Farm. But, as in all things dealing with real life, you have to tell for yourself who is being a Flower Child or blubbering in your lap for fashion or something else and who is asking for help.
In other words men try to read the magazines and learn the fashions and emote accordingly, just the way women do. They do it differently, but it is still up to the opposite sex, EITHER opposite sex, to figure them out.”
Quotes mine.
If our behaviour and intellect are defined by nature, then maleness and femaleness need no definition.
Maybe the real problem is that we have forgotten how to define ourselves.
Both men and women.
In the above, maleness and femaleness are dependent on some third party definition.
I lived years of my life being defined by others.
And it hurts.
#3 by AFKAN on 12/18/2007 - 2:54 am
We need to define the “masculine mindset” in terms of what it should be – at its best – and what it has become, all too often.
At its best, the Masculine Mindset is a reflection of the Meritocratic Aristocratic thinking from a Patriarchal Perspective, and a damn ACTIVE Patriarchal Perspective, at that.
Essentially, I have argued in favor of Transactional Analysis, and the interaction of Jungian Archetypes, as an excellent model for describing psychological – spiritual – interaction.
Thus, the Community would be led by the men – and women – who had learned the great psychological truth – in terms of psychology, and thus, spiritual development, there is no growth without pain, and a lot of that pain comes from being forced to shed the comfortable illusions of a less-developed psychological state of development.
Carrying this forward, a mature Community would not allow Men to be Elders until they were twenty-five – old enough to recognize the importance of a Greater Racial Purpose to be fulfilled in their daily actions, and mature enough to be able to willfully bind themselves, through their active deeds, to this Greater Racial Purpose.
Above this, at about the age of forty, we see the Community of Patriarchs – those who had enough experience to see the results of INaction, of the failure to DO what must be done, for the best interests of the Family, the Tribe, the Nation, the Race.
This is what separates Masculine from Feminine.
The Feminine Consciousness looks inward, and has a framework of Consciousness that expands outward in narrowly defined concentric circles of concern; Family, to a much lesser degree, Extended Family, and so forth.
The Masculine Consciousness looks outward, over the hills, over the horizon, and sees the need to control possible threats to the Race, while insuring a profitable expansion path is developed, and expanded, opportunistically.
Ironically, there is a slight mid-life shift in emphasis; Men turn slightly Within, focusing on securing the benefits earned to date, and Women turn slightly Without, involving themselves more in larger affairs, beyond the circles they had developed to that point.
Above all, Masculine is not merely Active, and External, it is also PROACTIVE. I had a supervisor whose entire motto for the part of the organization he was in charge of was:
LET’S DO IT TO THEM, BEFORE THEY DO IT TO US!
Now, THAT is Masculine, and Patriarchal; no damn concern for “Others” and how they will “feel” about us.
They should lay awake at night, concerned about upsetting OUR “feelings.”
Remember, if we don’t develop our own Barbarians, we will be conquered by THEIR Barbarians.
Boys only become Men by being in the company of Men; when this is denied, the archetypal forces at work in their Souls goes slowly mad, and acts out in the manner of misdirected young men, with inappropriate, disruptive behavior, or acts WITHIN, in the creation of depression, and avoidance behaviors.
The duty to recover Masculinity is a critical part of the task of Racial Renewal that stands before us…
As part of my discussion of the importance of Duty to my nephews, I have used examples from their favorite tv series, “Smallville,” by demonstrating where Clark Kent, acting like Hamlet, caused horrific consequences to those nearest and dearest to him, by failing to do his Masculine DUTY in resolving conflicts.
I then apply this to the “broken window” theory of social stability. We have been to the Colored section of the nearest large city, and examples simply abound there of “broken window” theory.
The example of Hamlet will be discussed next year, when, as part of their social development, they will attend Shakespeare plays, and demonstrate their newly developed social skills.
In an atmosphere of Positive Masculinity.
Incidentally, we have gelded our young men to such an extent that they require Assertiveness Training to know where The Line is, and how to draw it to their, and OUR, advantage.
Masculinity requires Activity, and Outward Activity, at that.
#4 by Simmons on 12/18/2007 - 9:25 am
For those of you who might think I’m acting the role of a “tough guy” trying to blame women that is wrong. Its the emotive childish instant gratification culture I take issue with. I watched one of the worst movies ever last nite “Superbad” as best I can describe it as a jewish coming of age movie, no laughs whatsoever. That the jewish critics fawned over this is evidence enough that Israel is finished (two countries one system). It was literally 116 minutes of loathsome behavior of the worst kind with 2 minutes of semi responsible actions, barely. All I can say is that in a world of children the Men will be kings.
#5 by AFKAN on 12/18/2007 - 11:25 pm
Some further thoughts:
One, Robert S. Griffin has some good thoughts on the necessity of developing the Mindset needed if we are to recover masculinity as a core spiritual component of our Culture.
His website is:
http://www.robertsgriffin.com/
He has a list of his writings and his comments.
Go to the right side of his Main Page, and click on “thoughts.”
Now, look at his thoughts on:
On Living the Martial Way. 8 pp. August, 2007.
His overview:
In the same way I did with the Foucault and Mishima thoughts, I record underlines I made in a book years ago and comment on them, a book I have gone back to a number of times since that first reading. The book is Living the Martial Way by Forrest Morgan. My focus is on the application of what Morgan calls the warrior mind-set to daily life.
Then, read his thoughts on:
•On Victoria’s Dogs 6pp. November, 2007
His summary:
Victoria Stilwell is an animal trainer who straightens out unruly dogs on the Animal Planet show, “It’s Me or the Dog.”
I think I’m learning something from Victoria about straightening out unruly people.
This is a critical part of what we, our Family, and our Posterity, will need to do a lot in the time to come: “straightening out unruly people.”
This is the challenge that I have faced with my nephews in teaching them: judo, to accept and harness the positive power of aggressiveness; assertiveness, to teach them the medium range of the social graces, knowing they have the power of aggressiveness on tap, if needed, and; etiquette, so they can deal with these issues in all strata of society.
Maybe I’ll get them some Randolph Scott cowboy dvd’s before this is all over with.
😉
In the meantime, “First Rule of Fight Club IS?”
#6 by Bob on 12/19/2007 - 10:22 am
AFKAN, a little less of your own agenda and a little more Mantra when it comes to writing HERE.
#7 by AFKAN on 12/19/2007 - 10:53 pm
in reply to Bob:
you wrote:
in reply:
No problem, but my “agenda” is based on the need to transform Civilization, starting with the foundational unit, and moving forward from there.
The best Mantra requires the best Men to carry forward the principle of Positive Racism without fear, or favor.
We seem to have been gelded by our Racial Enemies, and NEED to recover a Positive Theory – and Practice – of Masculinity.
I have been thinking of Wordism as a tool of social control in the framework of the double-bind, and I see the only answer to that as being the ability to summon enough anger to burn through the fog of lingustic duplicity.
Remember the Jew’s INTERNAL definition of chutzpah – the ability to get your Racial Enemy to accept the EXACT OPPOSITE of the Truth, as being true.
Then, it is easy to lead him to his doom.
Only an incredible sense of anger allows the Mind to burn of the fog of verbal duplicity that is at the heart of Wordism, and chutzpah.
Men can access that state more easily than women, more readily than women.
THAT is why our Racial Enemy wants to turn our men into the constructive equivalent of women.
And THAT, in part, is why so many of our men – and our young men, even in public school – MUST be placed on tranquilizers for the purpose of social control.
Break THAT curse, and the Mantra has room to operate.
Until then, I suspect, it will not do as well as we might hope for the same reason so many of our efforts do not have success, because we remind people of how little they have to show for a lifetime of effort, and how badly they have been used, without showing them a better way of life, and how to achieve it, by thinking Racially – First, Foremost, Forever.