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So you are going by the definitions from typical usage. I was going by a dictionary definition. Note my emphasis is below:
con·ser·va·tism (kən-sûr’və-tĭz’əm)
n.
1. The inclination, especially in politics, to MAINTAIN the existing or traditional order.
2. A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and OPPOSITION TO SUDDEN CHANGE in the established order.
rev·o·lu·tion·ar·y (rĕv’ə-lū’shə-nĕr’ē)
adj.
1. Bringing about or supporting a political or social revolution: revolutionary pamphlets.
2. Marked by or resulting in RADICAL CHANGE: a revolutionary discovery.
“Revolutionary conservatism” wouldn’t be in essence a contradiction of terms if you are refering to a time and a place where your views were labeled conservative — and you want a revolution to get it back.
It confuses those of us who aren’t politicos.
Maybe you are referring to radical traditionalism? An interesting article I stumbled upon:
Why Radical Traditionalism in Politics?
http://turnabout.ath.cx:8000/node/611
— Comment by Al Parker
ME:
This reminds of the amusing use of language in religion. It is so common nobody notices it.
For example, the Pope refers to the “Orthodox Church.” But clearly he considers his OWN church to be the orthodox chruch or he would hand in his tiara.
ALL churches consider THEMSELVES the orthrodox church or they would not exist.
When a pope or an Orhtodox Patriarch refers to the Episcopal Church, we know what sect he is talkng about. But the word “Episcopal” simply means that a church has bishops. Bishops rule the Catholic Chruch, the Orthodox Church, the Anglican Communion, and even the Methodist Church, which was titled The Methodist Episcopal Church until recently.
But we all know what the Episcopal Church refers to.
As for the Catholic Church, every church considers itself to be catholic, which means universal. Every church thinks of itself as both orthodox and catholic, but those words have a titular meaning iwthout which any discussion between churches would be almost impossible.
All churches are evangelical, meaning that they all go out and preach the Gospel. But when we say evangelical Christian we mean a specific type of theology. Outside of the Quakers, all major denominations baptize, but we have a Baptist Church.
I do not consider myself a revolutionary because of Webster’s Dictionary. I call myself a revolutionary because I want to tear this system up by the roots.
#1 by mderpelding on 09/27/2006 - 7:15 pm
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Al brings up a good point.
We are a Dynamic race.
We search,
Seek.
Communication is everything to us.
Clarity is essential.
If you and me and our bretheren can’t
agree on referents to our words,
We have no unity.
Our enemies realised this a long time ago.
Their attack on us has been overwhelmingly
lingual.
And succesful.
No other race on this planet has the literature
we do.
Think of TV and Movies.
Simplified Literature.
Fulfilling a NEED.
The Chinese need Emporers.
The Blacks and Amerinds need Shamans.
Whites need Reason.
#2 by Pain on 09/27/2006 - 10:05 pm
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Forget the “Conservative” label. For most people, Conservative equals what others call Neo-Conservative, and that is certainly PC. Any other remaining connotations mean “Yankee economics:” the system that exploited the South, replaces the town square with Walmart, and imported 100 million alien wage-slaves. Come to think of it, Conservatives don’t even know what Conservative means anymore and Conservatives are stumbling over themselves trying to be Respectable/PC. Why not Populist or “true American” or “honest?” Believe it or not, Hitler was able to recruit Social Democrats and Communists. He didn’t do that by calling the NSDAP “radical conservative.” There are still some situations where “conservative” is useful, such as in religion, but these are few.
Conservatism is long dead. Deal with it.
#3 by joe rorke on 09/28/2006 - 1:53 pm
Oh, I don’t think we all know what the Episcopal church refers to. Not at all. Who is “we all?”
You’re sounding like a professor in this piece, Bob. In fact, from what I can see you’re sounding more and more like a professor instead of what you proclaim yourself to be. For sure there’s a whole bunch of people who don’t even know what the Episcopal church is much less what it’s all about. I grew up in that toilet bowl. I wouldn’t enter that church under any circumcision and haven’t done so for over 50 years. It has nothing to do with following Christ.
Tear the system up by its roots. Hey, I like that concept. It’s a damned sure thing the Episcopal church won’t do that. It’s become part of the system. It’s not even a Christian church anymore. In, of course, my opinion.
#4 by Shari on 09/29/2006 - 10:53 am
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It was an Episcopalian priest who did our son’s wedding, as his wife’s family are Episcopalian. I liked him. He was unpretentious and heterosexual. The ceremony was traditional. They didn’t makeup some corny vows.
I do think that all churches are seriously infected though. How could it be otherwise. The same people who go to church, go to college, work for the college, teach in the schools, etc. I think that tearing up the system will have to involve a separating of wheat and tares, which just might happen very rapidly.
#5 by Elizabeth on 09/30/2006 - 5:44 am
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I went from unchurched Methodist to Catholic, which included several years of serious interest in 1928 Book of Common Prayer Episcopalianism. When the national church threw out the 1928 BCP and legalized ordaining women, I got off the fence and decided to become Catholic. Unfortunately, at the time, the Catholic church wasn’t very Catholic. The Catholic church in the U.S. was very, very, very badly infected with several toxic things: this infection is being fought with more enthusiasm by some bishops than others. I was received into the Church in 1981. I state yet again that I did not become a Catholic because of any _U.S._ bishop.
Much to my surprise, I have met and heard of several former Methodists who are now Catholics. Almost all became Episcopalians en route to the Church. One is my pastor.
#6 by Shari on 09/30/2006 - 3:40 pm
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So Elizabeth, when you go to church do you find yourself listening to sermons on our sole duty being to help the “poor”, to write the governor protesting the death penalty, our brotherhood with muslims? Then do you pray for an end to ALL predjudice and racism? I haven’t met a priest that is helpful. I’m about ready to bail.
#7 by Daniel on 08/09/2007 - 6:20 pm
I couldn’t understand some parts of this article Al and Language, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.