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09/23/2011 at 10:02 am #10188AnonymousInactive
Critique please
As an answer to the race is only skin color I’ve come up with this reply.
@bitphr3ak you are an atheist who believes in evolution. Right? A youtube comment version of evolution is, as we evolved from primitive ape like creatures our brains became larger and more complex. Then as man moved out of Africa skin, hair, bone structure eye color among other physical features all started evolving in different ways to form the various races, BUT brains either stopped evolving or all races evolved behavior and brain structure in EXACTLY the same way regardless of environmentIs that really what you believe?
09/23/2011 at 11:20 am #10195Peter WhiterabbitParticipantGator, that may be a good argument if you want to go down the scientific route, but it isn’t a mantra response so it doesn’t help. You are on the defensive by responding to their idiotic statement and you have no mantra points in there. Here are some responses I’ve seen:
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, nobody wants to live where people with brown or black skin live and millions annually risk their lives to live among the people with white skin. Race is real and it matters so much that our race is on the chopping block…mantra.
Nobody is flooding every black nation and ONLY black nations with non-blacks and saying, “Its OK, there is no such thing as race, so we are going to replace black people with a blended people.” This is happening in every white nation… ONLY white nations. They say they are antiracist. What they are is antiwhite. Antiracist is a code word for antiwhite. And what they want is genocide.
So far nobody but me (Bob) has pointed out how obvious this is: “to be a forensic pathologist, you have to do two things:
1) deduce the race of a victim from the tiniest rotting remains, and
2) Join all the other Recognized Experts in denying that race exists.”09/24/2011 at 3:50 pm #10281AdelheimParticipantSomeone talked about something that was Orwellian and i made this point.
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Orwellian language is anti-whites who talk about a blend of humanity that will end in a brown future. Then right after talk about diversity.
Or they say that skin color does not matter. And then turn around and talk about a company or area being too WHITE.
These people say they are anti-racist, but what they are is anti-white.
09/24/2011 at 4:16 pm #10282AdelheimParticipantAnother point I used:
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“Anti-racists” say that we white people can not be proud of what our race has done because we as individuals did not do it.But then again the same “anti-racists” say we are supposed to be guilty as a group for racism, slavery, colonization, discrimination and so on.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
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Another point to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6uoYnCvnbE&feature=related
This guy assumes white superiority. For him it is a ridiculous idea that brown people can pose a threat to us white people.
09/24/2011 at 4:32 pm #10284meawhiterabbitParticipantAdelheim-
“Anti-racists” say that we white people can not be proud of what our race has done because we as individuals did not do it.
But then again the same “anti-racists” say we are supposed to be guilty as a group for racism, slavery, colonization, discrimination and so on.
THAT IS POETRY!!!
09/24/2011 at 4:49 pm #10285AdelheimParticipantThanks meawhiterabbit!
I find points where I am pointing out a contradiction to be effective.
1a) Use the opportunity to make a mantra-point.
1b) Dont fall for their logic, dont tailgate. BUT you can take whatever they are talking about to make a mantra-point.2) Point out a contradiction.
3) Use our attack word: anti-white
4) Keep it short
When I boil it down I think this is the essence of what I find to be effective. But I will try to improve on it.
09/24/2011 at 5:24 pm #10286AnonymousInactivemeawhiterabbit !
Adelheim-!
Anti-racist?????
Shouldn’t that be anti-White?
09/24/2011 at 5:30 pm #10287AdelheimParticipantGator 61
Sometimes I feel I connect better as a start with the audience if I start by using “anti-racist” and then explain it, and ending up saying anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
That is why I am doing it. I could be wrong of course.
It is the same I did in this piece some time ago http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=6671
Starting out by saying anti-racist. Then go through the explanations and ending up with anti-white.
09/26/2011 at 10:13 am #10350WolframParticipantAdelheim: I’m fairly new and rely on the mantra advice of the old time Bugsters. But your article above was well written and informative.
09/27/2011 at 5:57 pm #10394AdelheimParticipantJust something I found. Pointing out contradictions:
———–Who is white? You clearly have no problems knowing who is white when it comes to “white privilege.”
White privilege? Why isn’t anyone talking about Chinees privilege in China? Or Japanese privilege in Japan? Could it be because your anti-white?
Everybody will blend together. Wasn’t diversity a strength??
You say you are not anti-white, yet you only talk about what white people have done wrong. If someone only talked about what jews did wrong you probably would recognize that as anti-semetism. But you are blind towards your anti-white mentality.
All of this is because you are as anti-white as the third reich where anti-semitic.
Nazis wanted a world without Jews. You keep justifying a world without whites – white genocide.
“Do you ever suspect that you’ve been brainwashed?”
Our media and politicians keep telling YOU, that people who talk about white survival are brainwashed. Then you just repeat that: “people who talk about white survival are brainwashed.”
Who is brainwashed?
A growing number see through people like you for what you are. You are not anti-racist, but anti-white. You are at the loosing end.
Have a nice day! 😉
09/28/2011 at 8:16 am #10416meawhiterabbitParticipantI am playing with a very persistent anti white here. He said I was being genocidal against mixed races by preserving the white race. I hit him back with mixed race will be okay because south america is already mixed and no one is flooding there with asians and whites
He replied with this….
Irrelevant. Maybe you just lack the imagination to fully comprehend this.
It doesn’t matter where these future potential people would’ve happened to live. If we have immigration, we’ll have more mixed-race people instead of white people. If you prevent immigration, it will be the opposite. In both cases, some people will never exist.
Fewer white people existing in the future is all you can mean by “genocide” here, so my argument stands.
Edit: It wasn’t even a straw man – learn your logical fallacies please.
am I going insane or is he setting up another strawman?!
09/28/2011 at 10:41 am #10418AdelheimParticipantmeawhiterabbit,
Maybe you could use some of this?
If you are saying that it is genocide and evil to preserve the white race then logically you want to do the opposite. And the opposite to preserving thew white race is to genocide the white race.
And that is why you support non-white immigration, integration and assimilation for all white countries in order to achieve white genocide.
You say you are anti-racist. What you are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.09/28/2011 at 12:27 pm #10420Coniglio BiancoParticipantDeleted
09/28/2011 at 12:36 pm #10421WolframParticipantmeawhiterabbit: http://jenab6.livejournal.com/ has a good piece called ‘A Debate with a Leftist’ where he argues the point that “All proper moral systems put survival of the group and, the continuation of its existence, in first place of value.” Your adversary seems to be arguing that whites should accept and even participate in our own Genocide because NOT doing that will be detrimental to future generations of non-whites.
He is justifying white Genocide using a variety of anti-white tricks but mostly white guilt.
09/28/2011 at 12:59 pm #10424Daniel GensericParticipantLook at this flaming shyte!
This dodo said, “@TheGenseric I don’t understand how a superior race has problems with genocide stemming from large scale immigration. If your race is dominant, shouldn’t it overpower everyone else’s. I mean if you were to even fuck the immigrant minority out of existence that could work. You mix a black and white person…oh wait you get black. Well you mix asian and white person….oh wait you get an asian. Apparently superiority doesn’t extend to da genes. Ahh well, enjoy your genocide. I tried to help.
brfffa 10 hours ago ”So, I wrote him back: “@brfffa Who said anything about “superiority” or “dominance?” How does making an argument about “supremacy,” as anti-Whites prefer to talk about, have anything to do with this:
No one is flooding China or Africa with millions of non-Chinese or non-Africans and saying, “Just breed the invaders out of existence and you won’t need to worry about Genocide.”
Meanwhile, everyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that massive immigration is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries.
TheGenseric 1 sec ago”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISFxedkhl8&lc=AU6kKzoSs9Xt2z2Sm1DtIHZiFFBgTCnVXnW2Iam–pw&feature=inbox———————————————————————
I had another brilliant one tell me “@TheGenseric Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians and Europe for whites.That is your own mantra i believe. How do you intend to achieve that aim? Pro-white is a code word for pro-racism.
NoMoreC2 19 hours ago ”SO I wrote him back: “@NoMoreC2 You just prove our point every time you utter a word or write a sentence. You just said, “Pro-white is a code word for pro-racism.” You just proved our Mantra true. Can’t you see that? Okay, if not on a literary level. How about a mathematical one? “Pro-White=Pro-Racism” is what you REALLY wrote. Now, cancel out/reduce the ‘pro’ part on both sides of the equation. White=racist.
Only Whites are accused of it.
Even a 5 yr old can see anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.
TheGenseric 14 minutes ago ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMp1s6HYv9c&lc=8gatjt3f5fET0fd2As1N2tM_JjFgJTs5rt_fFqiQxuU&feature=inbox09/28/2011 at 1:11 pm #10425Coniglio BiancoParticipantDeleted
09/28/2011 at 1:19 pm #10426Daniel GensericParticipant“Coniglio”
That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Maybe I didn’t make it clear enough? Hopefully he will GET IT.
09/28/2011 at 1:23 pm #10427meawhiterabbitParticipantThanks Ad and Con! Nice suggestions. Sometimes the antiwhites twist so much they leave you dumbstruck shouting “how can someone be so twisted and awkward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) I hit him with those.
This one is like a dog with a bone and incredibly full of his own self importance. Fascinating really. Adelheim you debated him 4 years ago on SF when he posted as DarkReaver13! He claims to be Russsian/Irish. I wonder if that is yiddish Russian 😉 Would make sense.
09/28/2011 at 1:43 pm #10428Coniglio BiancoParticipantDeleted
09/28/2011 at 3:18 pm #10432AdelheimParticipantmeawhiterabbit,
Yea, the anti-whites twists around. It is kind of funny to watch.
They all sound like they are saying: “Oh, I am not anti-white. I am just objectively interested in some kind of abstract principle and that abstract principle just happens to leave no future for white people. But that was not my intention at all. Hope you believe me.”
I got curious. How do you know I debated this anti-white?
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