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10/22/2011 at 8:53 am #11233meawhiterabbitParticipant
Yep i can’t get my head round him. He seems pretty clued up and has been a WN for a long time. He likes the Mantra, keeps telling us how we can spread it but never actually says “I am joining in.” Quite odd.
10/22/2011 at 5:56 pm #11252AnonymousInactivemeawhiterabbit wrote:
@ Scrivener I have used the law line in the past but one time an antiwhite then turned round and said to me, well laws are just social constructs like race. Laws deal with social constructs.
I have to admit their comeback put me off using the law/tribunals line.I’ve seen that one. It only works if you’re willing to be boxed in. Mantra thinking is about thinking outside the box; it’s about thinking around obstacles.
Most of the things anti-Whites say are designed to get us off message. Things like “I’m against racism against White people too,” and “the law is just a social construct, too” are rhetorical weapons in a war of words. And if we forget that we aren’t arguing against them, and really believe we’re debating them, it might just work.
But we aren’t arguing against whatever anti-White we happen to be speaking to. We are advocating against White genocide, and we are speaking/writing for an audience.
When the anti-White says something like “law is a social construct, too,” he is trying to stump you, or get you into a philosophical discussion, or a discussion of jurisprudence. ANYTHING but White genocide.
If you can give a short counterpoint that leads right back to our point (the Mantra), that’s great. This is my preferred mode of dealing with the enemy because it looks like a more organic back-and-forth. But if you can’t come up with a good short, mantra-related counterpoint right then, don’t worry about it. Just get back on message.
In your example, I’d go with something like “Of course the law is a social construct, but it is one created to deal with the real as well as the fictitious. The law says race is real, the law also says one ounce is less that two ounces. The law will punish you if you eliminate a racial group while arguing claim “race is a social construct,” just like the law will punish you for treating one ounce as if it were two while claiming “weight is a social construct.”
And now you have control again. You can continue with something like: “and you anti-Whites never hesitate to use the law to punish Whites whom you deem to be racist.” And tack on any mantra point you want after that. (Important note: Phrases like this are really good to use as a sledgehammer to get back on topic if you either can’t, or don’t want to offer a response to something the anti-White says.)
10/22/2011 at 6:06 pm #11254meawhiterabbitParticipantHa like it! Good work. Yes i agree those are good come backs. My angle was to go down the “well everything is essentially a social construct but that doesnt mean it doesn’t exist” line and then swing back to the manta. I thnk i was just letting them keep pecking away at me. Sometimes when “debating” with them you just get so exhausted with their come back after comeback you just want to drop it and go and get something to eat or whatever! However the more we share experiences here the more obvious it all becomes and we are less likely to become demoralised. Thanks for posting!
10/23/2011 at 7:31 pm #11332AnonymousInactiveI like the steady trickle of people signing the genocide petition but I wish we could get more. One thought I had was to put up more petitions about other things that are less scary to non-Bugsters. Just to get them to sign up on the site. That would remove one barrier.
Not everyone who agrees with us is as committed as we are. Some may go to the site an be put off by filling out the forms for a cause they are a little afraid to support.
To get around this we could have a few other petitions that aren’t so frightening to people. A petition to outlaw social experiments in the schools for example would dovetail with our cause and not seem as far out on a limb. They sign up for less controversial one then it isn’t such a big step to sign on to the genocide petition.Think of it like this. You have a baptist friend who will drink a beer with you but wouldn’t want to be seen buy any. He’s coming over and you want him to pick up a 12 pack for you. You know he isn’t going to do it, but he will be willing to stop and get some Coke a Cola. You ask him to get the Coke and when you figure he’s there, you ask him to get the beer too. Since he is already there the odds are much better that he will go ahead and do it. Let’s get them there, then ask them to sign up.
10/23/2011 at 9:34 pm #11338Denounce GenocidistsParticipant@Gator
Sounds like a waste of effort to me.Pandering to deadbeats when there are millions of potential newbies out there?
10/24/2011 at 11:29 am #11389Daniel GensericParticipantWhite genocide petition is getting a steady trickle. 390 now.
10/24/2011 at 11:31 am #11390Daniel GensericParticipant@Gator
How about a STOP Massive Immigration in EVERY White Country and ONLY White countries petition!
One for each White country? One for all White countries? Who would it petition and what would it read? Would it even mention genocide against our people?
10/24/2011 at 1:34 pm #11421AnonymousInactiveGenseric,
I’m thinking there are a lot of “Baptists” out there who would like to buy a “beer”. They are just afraid to walk into the Quicky Mart just to buy a six. We got to get them in the store to buy a bag of chips then we up the chances of going ahead and picking up the beer. If they aren’t going in for beer they won’t go in for wine either.
Get them signed up just to generally oppose immigration that’s safe. Then when they get fed up with white genocide they already have an account so they won’t hesitate when they are ready.
I wish everyone had the same commitment that BUGS has but unfortunately people are on a continuum. Some are afraid for what ever reason to make that step. I just think we should do what we can to clear the obstacles out of the way.
10/24/2011 at 5:50 pm #11477Daniel GensericParticipantThe following requires immediate attention if possible.
Please flag as spam as he is directing anti-White traffic here.
“No one is flooding Africa with Jewish Bankers, pushing programs of national destruction and saying, “Whatever you do, don’t protest, especially the nationalists. “No one is flooding China with Jewish Bankers, pushing programs of national destruction and saying, “Whatever you do, don’t protest, especially the nationalists.” Of course not, the people who say these things ONLY say them about EVERY White and ONLY White countries. They claim anti-racist. Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.”
TheGenseric 2 hours ago@TheGenseric “For anyone who is interested, the racists at Bob Whitaker have decided to spam this video with racist trash. Here’s a link to the page where they send their trolls from. whitakeronline(dot)org/blog/topic/where-did-you-post-the-mantra-today/page/87/”
gamutman 1 hour ago10/24/2011 at 5:55 pm #11478Daniel GensericParticipant@Gator
I like it. Now to implement it. Will be back later to discuss and Swarm. Cya
10/27/2011 at 5:45 pm #11750-Gar5-ParticipantHow about when we quote an anti-White we go
@name the anti-White
or
@name (who supports genocide of White children)
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10/27/2011 at 7:27 pm #11751herrMajorParticipantIt’s a good policy to constantly label them, remember when Lord Nelson talked about in one of the recordings of them inventing the label, then using it on you.
So when speaking to them, never refer to them by name only Anti-White, use your mantra think to make sure they are nixe and boxed in while you constantly use ridicule against them.
So one of the things that you could open with is…
“Well, Anti-White, you are just calling me a racist because I’m objecting to the genocide of the white race, and you as an Anti-white will continue the genocide of white children in their own homes.”
It’s not a great example but its something you can use to label them and refer to the label, then affirm the label. (Kinda how they do to us)
10/28/2011 at 1:20 am #11759AnonymousInactive“Well, Anti-White, you are just calling me a racist because I’m objecting to the genocide of the white race, and you as an Anti-white will continue the genocide of white children in their own homes.” ~ HerrMajor
Yes, this is exactly right. Nothing wins a “debate” faster than well poisoning and straw-manning. I mean, when your argument is basically a fallacy of composition (like calling miscegenation genocide,) why resort to formulating an actual rebuttal, right? Genius!
10/28/2011 at 6:53 pm #11780AnonymousInactiveanothergamutman said:
“Well, Anti-White, you are just calling me a racist because I’m objecting to the genocide of the white race, and you as an Anti-white will continue the genocide of white children in their own homes.” ~ HerrMajor
Yes, this is exactly right. Nothing wins a “debate” faster than well poisoning and straw-manning. I mean, when your argument is basically a fallacy of composition (like calling miscegenation genocide,) why resort to formulating an actual rebuttal, right? Genius!
Heh. Go over to AmRen or Stormfront if you want to appeal to the rules of proper debate. Over here, we’re interested in what works, and we’ve never seen any leftist, communist, democrat, or other anti-White ever fail to win his point because of “strawmanning.”
Besides, we already have a rebuttal. You’d never say that Tibetans or the American Indians were out of line for objecting to the miscegenation that is destroying their gene pool. You only say that to Whites in White countries, and call them “racist” for so objecting. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White, and anti-White is pro White genocide.
10/28/2011 at 7:30 pm #11784AnonymousInactive@ Genseric:
If you go by the same name on YT, I’ve been noticing a lot of talk about the Jews. I don’t think it’s helpful, because “Jew” is one of those rhetorical landmines with about a billion dollars worth of social engineering behind it that causes your audience to think you’re anaziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews and automatically discount anything else you say.
I rarely talk about the Jews with the unawakened unless they bring it up first, for a couple of reasons. First and foremost is the social-engineering reason mentioned above. Second is that once we get people to notice the oppression of Whites, they can’t NOT notice the Jews and they will do this on their own without our help.
Another problem is that it’s not just the Jews. Remember, our elite had to let them in. If it were up We the People, the Jews would have been permanently expelled in the Middle Ages. It was always certain elements of royalty and aristocracy that let them back in. We are interested in fighting whoever is behind White genocide and that includes the non-Jewish elites who allowed the Jews access to the levers of power in the first place.
10/28/2011 at 7:46 pm #11785Coniglio BiancoParticipantDeleted
10/28/2011 at 8:01 pm #11786AnonymousInactiveNo, it’s our job to turn the discussion to White genocide.
Another danger that I forgot to bring up is the same danger as we face in talking about crime statistics. It’s too easy for the conversation to turn in that direction, and now you’re talking about crime statistics (or, in this case, Jews) instead of the mantra.
10/28/2011 at 8:22 pm #11787AnonymousInactive@ Genseric:
I also should have said, despite my misgivings, you do a good job of keeping control of the conversation.
And it actually seems there is a lot of Jew-discussing going on in OWS threads that isn’t coming from us, which is about the only circumstance when I talk about the Jews. (well, that AND my segregation routine where I ask the anti-White why he thinks segregation is ok for Jews in Israel but not for Whites in the U.S.)
10/30/2011 at 1:59 pm #11893WolframParticipantWhere are all the entries?
10/30/2011 at 2:00 pm #11894WolframParticipantNever mind. They appeared after I submitted a post.
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