One thing I have noticed about Stormfront’s special guests is that, outside of me, they have all discussed the following subjects:
1) Jews;
2) Jews;
3) Jews;
4) Jews and;
5) Jews;
in that order.
There are three synagogues within two miles of where I am sitting. By a stupendous coincidence, every one of those synagogues has exactly the same five priorities in exactly the same order.
If you are obsessed with Jews, you must be obsessed with the idea that Jews EXIST.
They don’t.
All the evidence I see indicates that Jews are a group of people who, down through the centuries, changed steadily. In every generation a lot of people people joined the Jews and a lot of people people left the Jews. We know about the Khazars and the Bohemians who converted to Judaism, but we have not heard of the others.
I have read about “Jewish converts” who fought the Apostles in the Bible all my life, though I am informed that in other translations that term has been changed.
It is critical to Jews, Christian myths, and anti-Semites that those converts never existed.
During Europe’s religious wars, the only way to travel from a Protestant to a Catholic country without molestation was to be a Jew. Only a Jew could charge interest. No historian is ever allowed to mention these ADVANTAGES of being a Jew. It was all Suffering, you see.
In Rome, too, only “Jews” were allowed to do something anyone else was prosecuted for. Jews, and Jews only, were exempted from the requirement to worship the Roman Emperor as a god.
First of all, a tiny group in Judea could probably never have gotten an exemption like that. Secondly, if a particular group is given a specific exemption from the law, the Roman authorities knew who those people were.
And counted them.
The Romans kept careful count. If you doubt it, please note where Mary and Joseph were headed when Jesus was born, and WHY. The Romans knew that an obscure carpenter in Nazareth owed them money, and they knew where he lived.
I think they knew how many people were exempted from the law that required that the Emperor be worshipped, and who they were.
The Encyclopedia Judaica says there were seven, I remembered six, million Jews in the Roman Empire.
A lot of sources don’t like that. I’m not surprised.
Who cares exactly how many millions of Jews there were? The point is that this whole story about the Jews being in Israel until some mythical Diaspora is nonsense.
Since the whole culture of millions of Hellenized Jews simply disappeared from history, it is likely that they became the Christian Church.
History goes blank about the real history of Christianity before Rome outlawed all other faiths, and I believe that anything that Christians did not want to be true was treated the way they always treated any literature they didn’t like: It was burned and anyone caught with a copy was executed.
Someone wrote me that there couldn’t have been all those Jews in Rome because there is no record of their slaughter.
I sure hope he was joking.
Jews exist as a people in exactly the same way that the Freemasons exist as a people.
To me, the term “Jews” refers 1) to those who were so hostile to the Christian or Moslem society in which they lived that they chose to become Jews; and 2) in each generation, Jews were encouraged to join in the faith of the majority, and most eventually did. So what is left is the hard core.
I keep referring to Kissinger’s comment:
“Any peole that has been persecuted for two thousands years is doing something wrong.”
Actually, they probably weren’t all that persecuted. My Odinist ancestors were burned alive by the Christians on a regular basis. Now THAT is persecution.
This is all just logic and arithmetic. I can’t prove it, and the professional Christians can’t prove their story. They used suppression instead of truth, and now that they don’t have the power to suppress, they really get nasty about any disagreement.
Anti-Semites can get nasty on the same subject.
The real world is a place of probabilities. I consider the accepted theory about Jews as highly improbable. But a lot of people have built their whole worldview around the old picture of single group of pure Jews stretching right back to the Diaspora, and they will fight for that nonsense to the very end.
Christians base their worldview on the idea that a few Apostles converted a world of pagans to their faith. Meanwhile, the whole Hellenic Jewish culture just vanished. It seems more probable that those millions of Jews accepted Christianity than that they just vanished or were all executed.
I think that’s true, but unlike all the others, I have no vested interest in this truth.
#1 by Richard L. Hardison on 11/13/2004 - 11:21 pm
A number of years ago I surfed into Kurt Saxon’s website. At the time he had an article on the site about his American Nazi days. Rockwell’s group used to coordinate activities with the ADL at the time. They used each other primarily for fund raising and energizing the “base.” 30 years ago I wouuld have written Saxon off as a kook trying to make himself seem important. These days I tend to believe such things after seeing how ADL conducts itself.
Being a Christian and, I hope it doesn’t get me banned here, a Dispensationalist who accepts the idea of Israel being the “chosen” people, I still agree with Kissenger’s statement about 2000 years of persecution. Like so much of what Israel endured in Old Testament times, they brought their troubles on themselves. They rebelled against what God wanted for them and they got the very things Moses predicted they would get. It pays to keep Jesus’ words about Israel firmly in mind “not everyone who is of Israel is Israel.”
I think you are right about Hellenic Jews disapperance. With some thought and reference to the New Testament and Paul’s work among the Greeks especially, it makes sense. Being either converts or Hellenic leaning Jews they were the most suceptible to Christian conversion. The hard core, the Pharisees (their remnants are what you see today in “orthodox” Judiasm) and their later converts, fairly few in number, were the least likely to convert. These were the people yelling “Crucify him.”
#2 by Bob Whitaker on 11/13/2004 - 11:36 pm
Come on Richard, you know I don’t ban people. I ban spam, period.
I will never understand why people who are Christians are Jehovists or Dispensationalist. I wouldn’t like to face the Judgement with this sort of obsession with Jews as a Holy People.
I keep hearing, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one reaches the Father but by me.” This seems to put the Jews in the category of atheists.
You are an old buddy of mine, so you are not supposed to make perfect sense. Why have you got to worship the Holy Land and Jews to be Christian?
#3 by JC on 11/14/2004 - 1:44 am
(With all due respect and with the understanding that no one, and I mean no one, knows what goes on before life and after death… We have been told stories by men. You know the opinion of the bible for men, don’t you? Not very high at all. All religionists seem to accept written accounts and legends as if they had been told directly by the Creator. They take it for granted that the Creator would never allow them to be lied to. The Creator obviously thinks we don’t need to know the reason for everything, in spite of our opinion that if anyone deserves to know why this entity we call God (or whatever) has done what he/she/it did, it is us.)
I think you miss the point of what a jew is, Richard. You touched on it when you said “The hard core, the Pharisees (their remnants are what you see today in “orthodox” Judaism) and their later converts…”. The jew today is the Pharisee from that time period. Part of the story of the Israelites is in the Old Testament. However, the Old Testament doesn’t include anything (correct me if I’m wrong) written about the period of Roman occupation. The various people the Israelites came into contact with in Judea & Samaria eventually contributed their genetic material to those that didn’t hold to the Law and uphold their “racial” purity. Yes, they were forbidden to breed with certain peoples. If we could see those peoples they were forbidden to mate with in photographs, I believe they would resemble the dregs that inhabit that part of the world now. Israelites were given this truth as sons of Adam. Anyway, I digress. That’s a whole other topic. The point is that the Israelites that stayed in the Middle East were eventually mongrelized out of existence, although you still see some white physical traits in some areas and breeds.
(I wish I knew what type of Mathematicians dealt with genetic “drift”. Probably Statisticians. I’m sure there are formulae that can tell you how long a dominant population would take to be eliminated if its traits (blond hair, blue eyes, inventive nature, pride in their work, punctuality, etc) were recessive in nature. This would be easy to compute if you had numbers and the location was completely isolated and no new immigration. But, given unknown variables, what can be known? If anyone here is familiar with professionals who do this sort of analysis I’d appreciate knowing, Bob.)
We know that the Israelites were carted off into Egypt, Assyria and Babylon. They picked up different races, different ideas in those contacts. The Law of the Creator was corrupted and was hidden behind ritual and tradition. That ritual and tradition became the “Catholicism” of that time period, a state religion that accumulated money/power by making up a dogma that people were taught as truth from the time they were born. Eventually the state religion became large enough they could persecute those Israelites that still followed the “old ways”. What was left were Pharisees, although you had other accepted denominations, like the Sadducees. Eventually, the Pharisees were driven out to other countries or were absorbed with the other nations that moved in and out of Judea. Eventually, Pharisees no longer called themselves by that name. They went through various forms of Rabbinism until Europe eventually called them by the name that indicates the physical location they (supposedly) originated in, Judea. The word jew in the New Testament refers to an inhabitant of Judea. Unfortunately, the authors of the New Testament either didn’t do a very good job of indicating the difference between an Israelite “Judean/Jew” and a non-Israelite “Judean/Jew” or the jews deliberately mistranslated the words so they would be able to eventually confuse well-meaning Christians that somehow Jew = Israelite.
Have you ever read that there are over 100 prophecies about Israel that the jews don’t fulfill so therefore they can’t be Israel? Here are four.
Israel was to be a great nation and a company of nations. The Jews are in a company of nations and may even rule them, but are they a company of nations? Like Europe and America, Canada, Australia.
Israel was to be very numerous. The jews have never had a population of over 20 billion.
Israel was to receive the new covenant. Like Christianity?
“Thou are my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I destroy kingdoms.” The jews have never been much on battle-axes. They’d rather let dumb White Europeans do it.
I know it is pointless debating religious topics. Most people have invested too much emotional energy into one form of belief or another and are too vain or foolish to admit what chumps they’ve been. But, if we can discuss these matters and not get too hung-up over whether only 238 angels can dance on the head of a pin, I think we can still be White Nationalists brothers.
#4 by JC on 11/14/2004 - 2:43 pm
Oops, did I say 20 billion jews? I meant 20 million. Sorry. I guess that part of my brain must impinge on the financial side. You know, 20 million isn’t what it used to be. Why, to have any money at all now days you need at least a billion. I’ll try to proof read next time.
P.S. Speaking of proof reading…Bob, who has been editing you lately?
#5 by Bob Whitaker on 11/14/2004 - 3:43 pm
#6 by Bedford on 11/14/2004 - 4:02 pm
A short story on religion that speaks volumes? During the War, General Jubal Early was sitting on his horse on a dirt road at the top of a hill. Down below in the trees was a firefight going on with heavy sound of musket fire. Suddenly, out of the trees rode a horseman towards Early. It was the Reverend Dabney of the Army of Northern Virginia. He rode right on past Jubal without stopping. Jube called out, “where you going Rev? You keep telling us how great heaven is going to be and here you are riding away from a good chance to go there!”
#7 by Elizabeth on 11/14/2004 - 4:07 pm
I don’t get dispensationalism or jehovism either. In the New Testament, Jesus states that he brings the new covenant, and that
the new covenant erases the old one, which is the one about the
Jews being the Chosen People.
Fifteen hundred years later, Martin Luther arbitrarily decided to eliminate the books from the Bible for which there were no known Hebrew manuscripts. This is why the Protestant Bible is missing
some of the best material, like the Books of Esther and Judith.
While Europeans were busy burning each other, the Moslems,
in general, had a very enlightened attitude: you can live in our territory as a non-Moslem, and we’re just going to charge you more taxes than we charge our Moslem subjects. (That really weird
variety of religion practiced in Saudi Arabia has only existed
since the 1700s.)
#8 by Richard L. Hardison on 11/14/2004 - 6:34 pm
Bob, ol’ buddy, ‘ol pal 😉
Kidding aside, I don’t worship the “Holy Land” and while I am a dispensationalist I don’t accept C.I. Scofield’s brand. Scofield went into la la land for some screwy reason and read all sorts of things into the bible that simply wasn’t there. It’s interesting to note that the prime repository of Scofieldian ideology, Dallas Theological Seminary, is in a bit of a turmoil and doesn’t much like the original Scofield Bible anymore.
For myself, I’ll take what Paul said about the Jews in Romans to heart, they have been set aside for now. There are a few wackos out there who think they have to get involved to bring God’s prophecies to pass. I’m not one of them. I simply try to live as god would have me live and let the chips fall where they may. At times where they fall is not comfortable.
Strictly speaking Jews would not be athiests. However, they did abandon the one true God when He sent His Son to dwell among us. Judaism was changed as part of the law was fulfilled in His life. When the temple was destroyed by Titus’ army old Judaism was rendered completely impossible and the setting aside, as Paul outlined, was made utterly explicit. The Church did not become Israel, as such, but was made part of it as, once more, Paul outlined in Romans.
Bible prophecy said that Jerusalem would become a cup of trembling to the world. The narrative does not offer anything more than that, but I can see why it would become such – the sinful acts of those people who run under the name of Israel, but deny everything Moses and the Prophets tried to teach them. various Talmudic writings state the Goyim (nations) are nothing but fuel for the fires of hell. Only they will enter the kingdom of God.
While there a re a few “Jews” that show some understanding of Christianity, they still can’t bring themselves to understand why they are “persecuted.” Perhaps if they were to turn things around and think of how they would feel if they were in the shoes of people like David Irving and Ernest Zundel they would learn. However, they didn’t learn in AD 70, and they still haven’t learned what Moses and the Prophets tried to teach them. In my opinion they won’t until the near destruction of what they have now takes place toward the end of the so called great tribulation.
#9 by Don on 11/16/2004 - 11:41 am
1) Jews; 2) Jews; 3) Jews; 4) Jews and; 5) Jews;
6)Hitler; 7)Nazis; 8)Hitler; 9)Nazis; and; 10)Hitler;
Have you watched the History Channel recently?
My son says they should rename it to “The Hitler Channel.”
#10 by Peter on 11/22/2004 - 2:33 am
At some point, I might ask myself how much of the judophobia is sincere and how much is winning points as “hardcore.”