I remember when Jimmy Swaggart made a profound comment:
“You cannot die.”
Swaggart pointed out that you will live forever in Heaven or in Hell.
So Pro-Lifers’ battle is already won. Pro-Choice people talk about “the quality of life.” Pro-Lifers say that the quality of life is not important. Life itself is all that matters.
Hell provides eternal life. Hell can be conservatively be called a low standard of existence.with all that fire and thirst and agony and stuff, but it is LIFE. But it is LIFE.
Hell gives you Eternal Life.
Endless Life.
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” If life is all that matters, Hell is just fine.
#1 by Hardric on 07/08/2007 - 10:48 am
There are many things about life and the universe which are outside my realm of knowledge and understanding. Thus I usually abstain from making pronouncements about matters which lie beyond my realm.
What I am quite sure of is that I have no reason to believe that people like Jimmy Swaggart, or, I must confess, the entire Religious Establishment, have any more knowledge or understanding about these issues than I do.
So Jimmy, if you are out there and not playing a role in our White Racial Future, then you need to get your priorities in order.
#2 by shari on 07/08/2007 - 11:32 am
I don’t agree here. I haven’t heard pro-choicers talking about the quality of life. Rather I’ve heard them talk endlessly about a “woman’s fundamental right to an abortion” for any or no reason. But I do agree that “pro-life” has become a cloak for pro-death. A murderer may not be killed because your pro-life. The older than dirt must have all kinds free to them “health care.” The poor “immigrants” the same. etc.
But, it is all coming unglued. People will either repent or have a low quality of life.
#3 by Mark on 07/08/2007 - 1:55 pm
If a fetus is aborted, according to CURRENT christian teaching, it’s soul immediately goes to heaven. Yes, I know the founding fathers of protestantism taught otherwise, but it’s the here and now I refer to. If all it takes is an abortion to enter heaven, wouldn’t it be in the church’s best interest for everyone to be aborted instead of born?
But then the devil and his evil horde of anti-angels wouldn’t have anyone to tempt and jehovah would be forced to prove he can actually win armageddon instead of just talk about it for 2 thousand years.
#4 by Anonymous on 07/08/2007 - 2:37 pm
If those who claim to be pro-choice were really concerned about the quality of life, they would be concerned with genetic quality. Instead they will happily abort a healthy genetically superior baby and move the heavens to assist the genetic losers who make it thru the starting gate.
Those who claim to be pro-life are quite willing to bomb the hell out of anyone who gets in their way, which includes mothers and children as well as the unborn. Pro-life doesn’t interfere with their missiles and bombs.
I think someone wrote a book once titled A Plague on Both Their Houses. They could both use a good dose of Honesty and Common Sense.
#5 by neechee on 07/08/2007 - 4:53 pm
The original Herr Nietzsche said that the greatest abomination of christianity was that it was bastardized by the post-jesus residue to focus on the afterlife, the kingdom of heaven, instead of living in the here and now. This can be seen today with the rapture bunnies who excuse every fiendish deed committed in the middle east and every downgrading of our constitution and personal freedom as long as they think it brings them one step closer to that club med in the sky they’ve been sold. Who’s going to break the news that they’ve been scammed and they’ll never get to spend one night in that heavenly time-share. How bad will it have to get before they realize that there ain’t no train a coming to carry them away.
#6 by Sys Op on 07/09/2007 - 4:14 am
Most of the above comments have hit nails squarely on their heads.
What they have all described is a particularly nasty and stupid version of 2 doctrines. The movement is known as “Dispensationalism” and was made up out of whole cloth and surrounded by bits and pieces of Bible verses all out of context or text proofing, and much out of established English or Greek definition sets. One thing is sure — it’s been worth A LOT of money!! It has made its way into many denominations and I and a lot of non-religious people are sick to death! of it driving politics and foreign policy since it glorifies jews when Christ Himself condemned them/their religious system to annihilation.
I have finally been shown a book written to the general public about this very fact. A B. Kuiper–elderly Presbyterian cleric and educator I read, actually stated and proved that they and Dispensationalism were the reason we’re fighting Muslims and bringing on terrorism from the Middle East. I was thrilled. I read the quotes but will have find the book. He took on the whole “rapture bunny” crowd. I predict his book will be treated exactly like “Why Johnny Can’t Think” or worse.
The Bible these days is having exactly the same problems as our Constitution. The term for why the above comments are generally true and valid is “antinomianism” added to the absolute nature of God – the attributes that only He can define about Himself because we would not know how. One of those is all of science. Another is the conscience.
Here’s a question that Christian white nationalist have a hard time with and generally ignore (in my small circle)… and yes, I realize this is not a testable science question (as many questions of all types are not).
Given that God (aka the person as defined in the Bible as Jesus, the Messiah, the Savior, Son of God, etc.) is the creator of all life — separator of all life into various types and kinds and the races, especially creation as outlined in Genesis and Job and a few places in the New Testament:
WHY, after using His white race to be the primary cradle for and the only vehicle for dispersion until recently, would He allow that race to be destroyed, or to destroy itself?
Just a thought. Of course, I don’t expect any discussions, especially from the faithful antis… for them a moot point.
[googled and found In A. Bernhard Kuiper’s new book When Bad Things Happen to Good Prophecies, the author poses this question, “If it is believed that the 1948 re-establishment of the state of Israel is in fulfillment of prophecies within the Old Testament, then why did God not oppose the extradition of Jews from the Gaza Strip and Golan Heights’s” and thinks the use of the term judeo-christian is a crock.]
#7 by Sys Op on 07/09/2007 - 4:24 am
“I remember when Jimmy Swaggart made a profund comment” –BW
A profound comment? Bob, wipe that smile off of your face. You had me going there for a minute until I remembered that you generally “consider the source” before you believe anything.
Swaggart makes Christian-hunting a barrel-shoot.
One good twist of logic deserves another I guess.
#8 by shari on 07/09/2007 - 10:11 am
“Why, after using His white race to be the primary cradle for and the only vehicle dispersion until recently, would He allow that race to be destroyed, or destroy itself?”
Answer is that He won’t, unless He is really a Judas goat leading us off a cliff after all these centuries, and not a Savior at all. This is why I see the attack on our race as an attack on Christ as well, reguardless of anyone’s lack of belief. I also think that it would mean that there is no God except an evil one. I can’t think that the world makes any sense like that.
#9 by Sys Op on 07/09/2007 - 1:59 pm
What a concept?!!
Does anything PC make sense? Is not all of PC evil? Is PC not a religion and thus in direct head-on confrontation with God? Has not every nation been judged righteously in the past millenia (His uniform standard, not ours)?
Nothing new here.
Since I am not the mouthpiece of God, I can only wonder about the about the whys and comment occasionally to some… “Sure appears that God isn’t taking care of His stuff too well.”
As He said: BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM GOD. Context is everything.
#10 by mderpelding on 07/09/2007 - 9:04 pm
Can’t anybody understand that “LIFE” is an abstraction?
That the Swaggerts of this world will support untold misery as long as the words are followed?
The Swaggerts of this world will swoon over every savage who professes belief and/or agreement with the words they say and write.
Jimmy Swaggert believes that the sum total of any man is contained in the words he speaks.
But remember the old cliche:
“Talk is cheap”.
#11 by Sys Op on 07/10/2007 - 1:32 am
No. In our contexts, “LIFE” is concrete and not a “strategy or process of simplification, wherein formerly concrete details are left ambiguous, vague, or undefined.”
The point is definable, observable to its end.