From Stormfront. I don’t know if this is OUR Mrk or not, but I am treating it as if it is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlbionMP
Bob,
how high are the stakes for Iran ?
Mark
MY REPLY ON STORMFRONT:
I’ve given your question a lot of thought.
One point I keep making and people outside my blog ignore is that America is not just the only SUPER power left in the world, it is the only POWER left in the world. Not one other country on the planet projects real military muscle outside its own borders. Hell, France doesn’t have control WITHIN its borders.
For this reason, the United States is EXTREMELY dangerous
Never forget the lesson of the Sword of Damocles.
And America is Israel’s pit bull.
I don’t know if you are old enough to remember when Reagan bombed Libya. The American attack planes were allowed to take off from Thatcher’s Britain but they were not allowed to fly over any other country. They made a zigzag around Europe and through the Strait of Gibraltar and returned by the same zigzag route.
All the respectable conservatives are demanding that Bush bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran. I don’t know if even Tony Blair would allow the attack planes to take off from Britain. The Iraqi Government now controls its own air space, and they wouldn’t.
That could mean that the air assault conservatives demand would be American planes taking off from Israel. Can you imagine the reaction to an air attack on Iran from ISRAEL by the United States?
The usual reaction is to say that the United States couldn’t take the heat for that. But let me repeat, THERE IS NO OTHER POWER ON EARTH EXCEPT ISRAEL’S PIT BULL. The United States could invade Iran with the whole world screaming its effeminate little head off.
Don’t fool yourself. When it comes to getting out in the field, there is no armed force on earth that face the Americans even briefly. That would mean terrorist attacks, but do you think that is more important in Washington than taking out Iran if Israel REALLY insists on it?
The Sword of Damocles is over Iran.
#1 by Tim on 01/02/2007 - 10:30 pm
It seems to me that an attack on Iran is probably inevitable. Barring some epic change in Washington. Interesting enough, the Neocons I talk with are scared to death of Russia. And since garbage flows down stream. I am guessing they get that from the ‘big’ Neocons. It is real fear. They act like Iran is a done deal. But Russia worries them. They can’t believe how far they have come back from the brink and how fast they have done it. I guess they never read that Russia built a world class navy and put in the water in under two decades. I guess the younger Neocons do not read much history. (I don’t know if this is good or bad for us?)
Not to be the parot of this blog. But you are dead right. Putin is the great statesmen in world right now. And he shows all the cowardly self hating white men in Washington….WHAT can be done if you are determined. Also note, well read liberal leaning publications (well actually libertarian I think) like http://www.Antiwar.com are writing glowing columns on Putin. They do so because he is an enemy of the Neocons. Liberals read that website every week.
http://antiwar.com/justin/
and they are getting an earful ……
It seems to me if (or when) America attacks Iran. This will only solidify America’s increasingly poor standing in the World. This would push Europe and Russia even more together. To me, Russia’s wonderful ethnocentric nature will tople the idiots in Brussels. The Russians will run the show in Europe. They already dictate energy flows to Europe. To me, this looks good for our race. Europe needs Russia’s self confident Euro-Ethnocentrism. It’s infectious.
#2 by Nobody on 01/03/2007 - 12:16 am
Bob quoted Mark:
how high are the stakes for Iran?
Mark
Bob replied:
MY REPLY ON STORMFRONT:
I’ve given your question a lot of thought.
One point I keep making and people outside my blog ignore is that America is not just the only SUPER power left in the world, it is the only POWER left in the world. Not one other country on the planet projects real military muscle outside its own borders.
In reply:
We can project the Form of “real military muscle outside (our) own borders.”
The substance – in terms of the effectiveness of that force to force substantial positive change – is rather a different issue.
Has it ever occurred to anyone that this is a tremendous net negative for America economically, with a power that can only be used once? Hasn’t the nature of war shifted from the capital-intensive heavily mechanized systems to intelligent organizations that are motivated by the common RACIAL dream of removing the RACIAL Invaders from their territory?
The example of Israel – with its spy satellites, F-16 fighters, advanced communications technology, and atomic weapons – being defeated by fourteen year old boys with hundred dollar Kalishnikovs in Lebanon last year, is stunning proof that the economics, indeed, the very nature of warfare, has changed, and the change is not in our favor.
Bob wrote:
Hell, France doesn’t have control WITHIN its borders.
In reply:
And we do?
Ever seen the membership numbers for the 18th Street Gang in Los Angeles, or how many illegals are in America?
Hell, DETROIT doesn’t have control WITHIN its borders.
Bob wrote:
For this reason, the United States is EXTREMELY dangerous
Never forget the lesson of the Sword of Damocles.
In reply:
I think this is a stronger metaphor than you realized. Remember, the Sword of Damocles can only be used ONCE.
Once the Sword of Damocles has been used, a wide range of flexible political options are permanently foreclosed. The issues are crystallized, the facades are removed, and everyone knows where they really stand. Possible alliances are nor foreclosed, and everyone moves down an ever-narrowing corridor.
Bob wrote:
And America is Israel’s pit bull.
In reply:
It is the perception of many that America is SOLELY Israel’s put bull, and America does SOLELY what Israel wants, in the Mid-East, and certainly does not conflict with Israel’s interest, beyond the Mid-East.
Bob wrote:
I don’t know if you are old enough to remember when Reagan bombed Libya. The American attack planes were allowed to take off from Thatcher’s Britain but they were not allowed to fly over any other country. They made a zigzag around Europe and through the Strait of Gibraltar and returned by the same zigzag route.
In reply:
The greater irony, it seems, is that, America, on “evidence” that seems less rational, than a rationalization, took action against an enemy of Israel. All of the other countries in the region, and beyond – saw this in that context.
Their political memories are strong enough to realize their superiors were right, then, and they will be right, now, to judge ALL American actions in the light of America as the shabbas goy of the goddamn JEWS.
Bob wrote:
All the respectable conservatives are demanding that Bush bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran. I don’t know if even Tony Blair would allow the attack planes to take off from Britain. The Iraqi Government now controls its own air space, and they wouldn’t.
In reply:
Blair will do what we tell him to do; however, as we look to the Muslim demography of New Londonistan, it is hardly likely that this will ignored by their Muslim brethren.
This might not be the much-heralded Clash of Civilizations, so much as it is the Clash of RACES – with the White RACE as the proxy for the goddamn JEWS.
Bob wrote:
That could mean that the air assault conservatives demand would be American planes taking off from Israel. Can you imagine the reaction to an air attack on Iran from ISRAEL by the United States?
In reply:
Oh, yes.
Bob wrote:
The usual reaction is to say that the United States couldn’t take the heat for that. But let me repeat, THERE IS NO OTHER POWER ON EARTH EXCEPT ISRAEL’S PIT BULL. The United States could invade Iran with the whole world screaming its effeminate little head off.
In reply:
The United States could take the heat, for a while.
However, this would tell the rest of the world that our facade of being anything more than an irrational bully would be revealed, and there will be a tremendous shift in “world opinion” away from us.
And, this shift will take many forms, such as creating alliances where there weren’t any before.
An example might be the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan; incredibly long supply lines, and the use of cost-effective hand-held weaponry by the Mujaheddin, set the stage for the collapse of Empire – the Soviet Union.
I suspect the effect will be no less profound, for us.
Bob wrote:
Don’t fool yourself. When it comes to getting out in the field, there is no armed force on earth that face the Americans even briefly. That would mean terrorist attacks, but do you think that is more important in Washington than taking out Iran if Israel REALLY insists on it?
The Sword of Damocles is over Iran.
in reply:
Consider that China, which desperately needs Iran’s petroleum, just signed a SIXTEEN BILLION DOLLAR deal with Iran for access to petroleum.
Consider that China, by recycling our dollars back to us (with interest, of course), is literally funding our war with Iraq.
All the Iranians have to do is what the Shi’a in Iraq are doing – all they have to do is NOT LOSE, and they will WIN, by default. Remember, a trillion dollars in expenditures, more than three thousand American lives wasted, and we are doing damn well to control the Green Zone of Baghdad – not all of Baghdad, just the Green Zone.
Iraq is about 430,000 sq. km of mostly broad plains, while Iran is almost FOUR TIMES as large, with mountains everywhere. From a military perspective, mountain fighting is much more challenging than broad plains; the one is well suited for armor, but the other laughs at armor, and most artillery. As well, Iran borders several bodies of water that are of the first importance for oil distribution to Asia, and Europe. To sum it up, the Iraqi War has cost us a trillion dollars and three thousand lives – that we admit to – and all we have to show for it is a force that cannot control Baghdad. Multiply this by what – ten? – and we would not be able to control Tehran.
Ten trillion dollars, and tens of thousands of American lives, and oil at $200 USD/barrel, as our former partners desperately seek oil to fill their Strategic Petroleum Reserves, today, to be able to stave off internal rebellion, tomorrow. Think “China.” And, we would not be able to control Tehran.
I am still looking for the definition of an American victory in Iraq, much less Iran. Israel has been at this for more than half a century, with little to show for it other than an economy that would be bankrupt without massive infusions of American dollars, American weapons, and, in Iraq, more than three thousand American lives – that we admit to.
Now, see it RACIALLY, and imagine the White RACE – Europe, and America – are attacking one group of non-Whites, on behalf of another group of non-Whites, the goddamn JEWS.
When the American people realize that no matter how much America loses, whether in terms of blood or treasure, Israel – the goddamn JEWS – WINS, then you will see a true, irrevocable shift in American public opinion.
Don’t be surprised, incidentally, if you start seeing a lot of news about “New JEWS,” who take issue with the Israeli government’s policies; this is simply the facade needed to protect the goddamn JEWS when the current Israeli government fails, and takes the current American administration, with it.
Remember, the Sword of Damocles is a weapon that can only be used ONCE, with profoundly irrevocable consequences – in this case, as in previous world wars, for our RACE.
Increasingly, I see all of this as a series of RACE skirmishes against the background of the RACE WAR of the goddamn JEWS against, well, everyone (INCLUDING US, at the end of the day), with us as their facade to the world.
RACE, first, foremost, forever – it’s all about RACE.