The debate has gotten out of hand and some personal information repeated, so Laura came to me.
I decided that you have to read this statement before anything else is done.
I don’t care whether you call it CENSORSHIP or not, all BUGSERS know better than to carry on a personal fight here.
If I presume to teach you what is important and what is not, I must PRACTICE it as best I can.
I have been insulted hundreds of times.
In these pages, I have apologized well over a hundred times.
On almost every occasion where I apologized, someone here who cared about me wrote me that I should not have. I appreciated it, but I never withdrew what I had said.
Why?
Because the whole point of BUGS is that we don’t have time or effort to spare.
I never rethought my apology if it took care of the problem at hand.
The problem at hand is clearing the decks for action.
A lot of us blame me for encouraging dispute here.
What these people might not be taking into account is something only a man who has been in this fight for sixty years may be uniquely able to do: Herd tigers.
People are always agreeing with me that this whole BUGS approach has not been undoable, but UNTHINKABLE, for anyone else.
THINK about that, don’t just agree to it.
You are fighters. I have seen this happen many, many times:
Two guys duke it out, and really HURT each other. Afterwards, the fighters become good buddies. This happens surprisingly often.
In my experience, there is a reason for this.
Those of you who have been out there are well aware that the world is divided into three types of people:
- Those who take your side;
- Those who are on the other side; and
- Those whom I diplomatically refer to as The Chickenshit Majority.
Therefore it is no surprise to me when BUGSERS are astonished by the fact that some of our best people came in making trouble.
This does not mean always or even in a majority of cases. But it happens a lot.
Actually, being surprised at this reality is amateurish, and these disturbances themselves are amateurish IN MANTRA TERMS.
BUGSERS should be able to look back over what they said, as I so often do, and restate it as they should have done in the first place.
Before you say all the noise is my fault, ask yourself: “Who do I think Bob IS?”
You are BUGSERS now. YOU have to do the correcting and apologizing, not because you were right or wrong, but because our only priority is the CAUSE.
I cannot recall how many times someone has said “why does Bob not impose discipline?” and on the other hand, how many times commenters have declared that they are “independent of Bob.”
I cannot imagine why someone who is familiar with BUGS can STILL say these things.
BUGS is not a Bob Disciplinary Project and if he were thinking properly, any BUGSER would laugh out loud at the idea that I claim to curb your independence.
#1 by -frank- on 03/25/2015 - 9:07 pm
“I heard he herds TIGERS!”
And so he does. Go Get ’em, Tigers!
#2 by Lord Nelson on 03/26/2015 - 7:06 pm
I advise people as much as possible to not let your time here become part of your social life or to get too emotionally involved. (Not always easy I know)
Just stick to business.
#3 by Yankee Rebel on 03/27/2015 - 12:47 am
The energy people use to argue with one another here could be better spent arguing with anti-Whites on the web.
#4 by Denounce Genocidists on 03/27/2015 - 9:42 am
Benjamin said many BUGSers got abuse (Sharp words-DG) from the Coach and deserve it for not doing things right.
Okay. But like this non-specific post on Twitter by Renegade Broadcasting
“Friendly advice to BUGSers: Don`t insist on doing things your way when others do it better”
#5 by Jason on 03/27/2015 - 11:48 am
The Gold Standard is what WORKS.
There is NO shame in making a mistake. It is a routine and necessary part of the scientific method.
All the GLORY must go to the mistake-makers because they are the innovators. But, we need them to make precise mistakes that we can learn from.
If if an experienced BUGSER (someone with at least several months but probably a year under his belt) decides to try something new, please make it something we can learn from.
Consistently use the new term long enough to get good feedback. Boom or Bust – both are equally valuable.
Science is often hindered because nobody wants to look stupid. We need a BUGS culture that shows sincere gratitude to those who have made smart mistakes we can learn from.
And invariably, they are the ones who get the MOST right too.
#6 by Daniel Genseric on 03/27/2015 - 6:12 pm
“Boom or Bust – both are equally valuable.”
Spoken like a true amateur – lacking revolutionary heart and a fighting spirit.
Should those who fail to practice and/or recognize innovation when they see it be allowed to lead the charge in screaming for it? If so, would someone care to explain why we should listen to those not leading by example.
Why should we listen to people who shelter the insane one minute and “unwittingly” lambaste them for being less than innovative the next? Is moral and ethical consistency no longer a core value at BUGS? Who sent out the memo mandating intellectual dishonesty and when was it sent?
Why should a recruitment program built solely on attraction tolerate certain members who place an inflated, artificial community value on coddling inactivity and repetitive FAILURE? How is that attractive? Does this not serve a perpetually self-destructive cycle and dwindling numbers in the end? Perhaps that is the goal of a small minority here. Is the problem larger than that? Does this concept not run counter to the stated BUGS ethos of ‘Find what works, do work & report back so we can focus and WIN’?
Why should we tolerate those who have no tolerance for conflict? How else are we to hone the necessary conflict resolution skills for general negotiation and political warfare?
#7 by Jason on 03/27/2015 - 9:01 pm
“Spoken like a true amateur – lacking revolutionary heart and a fighting spirit.”
That is a personal insult not intended to be productive.
Should those who fail to practice and/or recognize innovation when they see it be allowed to lead the charge in screaming for it?
I am encouraging innovation which I think was clear. The process of innovation will always include mistakes which we can’t be afraid to make. Mistakes will be made and must be learned from.
Why should a recruitment program built solely on attraction tolerate certain members who place an inflated, artificial community value on coddling inactivity and repetitive FAILURE?
How was anyone coddling inactivity? Victory is the goal, but a scientific approach is needed. That approach doesn’t pretend to have all the answers up front. We need errors immediately pointed out. And LEARNED from.
A well understood mistake is valuable (see how navigation is done).
Does this not serve a perpetually self-destructive cycle and dwindling numbers in the end? Perhaps that is the goal of a small minority here.
Are you saying we are part of a “Conspiracy” to diminish BUGS?
Why should we tolerate those who have no tolerance for conflict?
Who is against conflict? Do you lump useful criticism in with 7th grade personal insults? From the beginning we expect conflict with the Anti-Whites. And strong criticism from other BUGSERS (who know what they are talking about) must be accepted.
This is tiresome. You obviously don’t LIKE certain people, perhaps certain personality types. You would have driven HD off 3 years ago if you could have (before the great work he did). You told me to leave the group a couple of years ago. I don’t know who else you’ve tried to drive off.
And I am afraid to think of who you DID run off that might have made great contributions.
#8 by TheSeeker OfTruth on 03/27/2015 - 9:26 pm
Some people get mad when reminded that they are really better suited to be Indians when they have their heart set on being chief.
#9 by Daniel Genseric on 03/28/2015 - 12:13 pm
Tell me about it.
#10 by Daniel Genseric on 03/28/2015 - 12:05 pm
YOU two are the ones wanting to make it personal. HD started with insults when I dared to ask him a simple question. “No-no-no. This will not do.” Then, you get mad at me when I returned the “favor” by reducing myself to his base level. Nice.
It is interesting how when I don’t agree with you on something you then equate that disagreement with “disliking you”. This is the exact same kind of temper tantrum a five year old throws when you correct their bad behavior. That fact demonstrates that your attitude, in MY opinion, is amateurish and does not belong here. How should we treat people who CHOOSE to remain amateurs? That is not me telling you to leave. That is called “making an observation” and “stating my opinion”. You are the one who continues using my less than tactful way of putting things as justification for making the argument to drive ME away. Not the other way around.
As usual Jason, you lean toward intellectual dishonesty. More importantly, I was talking to the AUDIENCE by posing rhetorical questions. But, you already knew that. The question for them is WHY?
Imagine all the people you two ran off with your lackluster also-ran petitions (advertised as “BUGS Flag Ship Projects”) and the protection racket you run for HD. bust bust bust bust – repeat. Hardly the hallmark of an “innovator”. This celebration of failure is hardly the EQUAL action or twin brother to finding what works and winning. Yet, you keep CHAMPIONING and celebrating stagnancy. To be fair, you are not his only enabler. Why not work with him on swarming your favorite KITTEN videos instead, Jason? At least you’d reach more people that way and with LESS effort. Or maybe you could come up with your own NEW “innovative” plan? That would be interesting to see.
You go on about your business though. Continue to beat that dead horse in order to give the illusion of effective action. I’ve got so many damn ideas for this outfit, but you’re not going to get a chance to run them into the ground with retarded market saturation. And it’s sad that when I say something you won’t HEAR it because it comes from me. Pathetic. That’s one major reason why you will never have a seat at my table. I have and will continue to find people to work with outside of BUGS while you are allowed to run amok here.
Face it Jason. You’re not ready for – or worse yet, don’t WANT – the innovation you claim you do. From what I have witnessed, you are either purposefully stifling the flow of energy with inefficacy or you are smothering it with your ineptitude. EQUALLY troublesome to the cause and UNEQUALLY vicious.
Sometimes EQUAL isn’t really quite so equal.
#11 by Jason on 03/29/2015 - 1:02 am
“Face it Jason. You’re not ready for – or worse yet, don’t WANT – the innovation you claim you do. From what I have witnessed, you are either purposefully stifling the flow of energy with inefficacy or you are smothering it with your ineptitude.”
Speak plainly. No need to be coy. What are you accusing me of? Why would I be purposely trying to harm the cause? You’ve made that accusation before in your passive-aggresive way.
Speak free. Clear the air.
#12 by Jason on 03/31/2015 - 10:47 am
I said, what are you accusing me of? An accusation of treason is not something I take lightly nor can I let it pass.
#13 by Jason on 04/11/2015 - 12:09 pm
Let me know when you find your courage, Daniel. You called me a traitor and then you failed to back it up several times. Not appreciated. Not forgotten.
That’s not the kind of accusation to be made lightly. And once made, you don’t just run from it.
#14 by TheSeeker OfTruth on 03/27/2015 - 9:23 pm
When Renegade Broadcasting started using the mantra a lot of us got really excited. Some thought that we had found a group of people who had seen the light and had came on board. The thing is though that they did not become bugsters, they just started using our points and memes. Isn’t that the object though? Aren’t we here to give people something to say when called nasty names?
It is easy to just make a point and run off on the internet. In real life that is much more difficult. Personally I like to say or talk about whatever the hell I want and when called slurs respond with our points and memes as a deflection. I usually follow up with an innocent,” You aren’t anti-White are you?” That has gotten a lot easier now that that word has been hammered into the mainstream.
Renegade used our points and messages to launch the White Man March, which was very successful, yet a lot of bugsters like to excoriate them for not staying on message. Well, they aren’t bugsters and we have no copyright on our message. We can’t logically get mad when others incorporate that message into what they are already doing.
#15 by Henry Davenport on 03/28/2015 - 10:26 pm
Okay, I’ve read Bob’s blog on this several times over the last couple of days.
Daniel, I have no reason to believe you aren’t sincere in stating that you didn’t intend your initial comment to me on the “March 21 March” thread to be hostile. I took it to be hostile, and did so in part because of some recent correspondence between you and me. But I accept your statement of intent and I apologize to you for responding under the assumption that it was hostile.
I’ve said before (but lately it was me who broke my own request) that you and I would do better, or at least I would do better, if you and I just absolutely avoided having any communication or making any statements directed to each other at all.
My memory is that you’ve been very co-operatively willing to do that in the past, and that in the most recent instance at least (and I suspect in earlier instances also), it was me who broke the request, recently because I liked a comment of yours so much. I think that was the circumstance in which I broke it.
Anyway, I think that after the present dust up I would not be tempted to break my own request again. So I’ll simply make that request again, and this time I’ll do my utmost to stick to it.
I see this as a not-ideal but satisfactory way for this diversion of energy not to happen again, and I hope that you will see it that way too.
#16 by -scythian- on 03/29/2015 - 12:21 am
As God as my witness, I said to myself before I clicked on BUGS after 3/21 that it would be declared “a great success”. It’s similar to anti-whites claiming “victory” after a “debate” while we keep marching into their territory: THEY are talking about what THEY don’t want anybody else to talk about: White GENOCIDE.
#17 by Jason on 03/29/2015 - 4:57 am
**Nevermind**
#18 by Bob on 03/30/2015 - 8:57 am
Yes, saying we succeeded is routine and it is up to THE OTHER SIDE to claim we didn’t.
It does not take a professional soccer player to know not to kick the ball into his own goal.
#19 by Jason on 04/01/2015 - 11:36 pm
“Tigers” got herded around here all the time.
It’s just when a BUGSERS calls another a BUGSER a traitor that a free pass is given.
Lesson learned.