B. U. G. S.

Poster Lew on OO is pro-Mantra, and I asked him why the Mantra “had left him cold” when he had first encountered it on pro-White sites.

This excerpt from his reply I intend to keep in mind:

“People were showing up on White sites, posting the mantra without making any effort to link it to the topic, and then either leaving the comment stream or announcing something to the effect of ‘those of us using the mantra are having great success’! It always left me scratching my head. It was only later when I saw it being used that I realized the mantra variations are primarily attack tools. The impact was lost on me reading it on White sites, because everyone is generally on the same side, and there is no one to attack.

I have to say though, when I saw it action, I really enjoyed watching those liberal hipsters howl and sputter trying to explain why Africa is for Africans, China is for China, but White countries should be for everybody.

I think that on pro-White sites the mantra practitioners should generally limit themselves providing links and examples that illustrate how to use mantra ideas to attack and discredit enemy opinions that relate to the topic at hand.”

My first boldfacing shows where I erred: I assumed the readers on OO would see the mantra as an attack tool since that’s the way I see it. I failed to put myself in their position: to them it just appears on their threads as something addressed to THEM. And to make matters worse they are used to anything addressed to THEM as being in a very different style.

Well, I didn’t err in the posts that WERE meant to comment directly to THEM on the article. The article was on the effect of demographic changes in the U.S., and I led by posting the full mantra, which is certainly an appropriate comment to the topic.

One way I erred was in not being as diplomatic as I could be…I wasn’t discourteous to begin with, but just blunt. I was on topic, but was using pretty much bugster style…if next time in addition I take care to be diplomatic, then I’ll regard any negative reaction as being entirely their problem.

I guess I’m still learning the hard way what Horus told me, which was (my words) that all I can profitably do is just bugster them. I think I’m doing that at Amren. Maybe the reason it ”works” there is that posts are pre-moderated there.

The last part of the excerpt from Lew I think is an excellent idea when we can do it, that is, to give links to successful exchanges we’ve had online. I’m going to start keeping my eye open for exchanges on various topic and will catalogue them. But some of our best ones get wiped out just because they ARE so good.

How do you segway from someone bitching about “White Privilege” into the Mantra, in one line sentence?

@ Roy

No one is flooding Africa with millions of non-Africans and saying, “What’s with all this Black Privilege?”

@ Roy:

Not one sentence, but:

“No one is flooding Japan with non-Japanese and calling the resulting Japanese genocide ‘Japanese privilege.’

No one is flooding China with…etc.”

Truck Roy, I get so much good stuff from you and all the others on the Don and Derek show! It’s a pleasure to be able to tell you that!

@HD re:”pro-whites” carrying water for the anti-whites:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8916947/Apartheid-row-at-Norwegian-school-after-it-segregates-ethnic-pupils.html

“First, “gene-killing” is a more useful term for the consequences of miscegenation. It impacts upon the individual reader in a way that “genocide” does not.

You must remember that the genocide we are suffering is soft and slow, and will be apparent only in the historical sweep. People do not readily see that, but they do see there are no mass roundings-up, no mass graves. We call down upon ourselves sensible objection when we use the word too freely.

Second, Uncle Bob’s mantras are intellectually shallow. They have a place in the mouths and ears of those who are hypnotised by a word. Try readers of The Sun.

The Telegraph reader, being more demanding, quickly knows when he is being fed a line rather than an argument. He does not like to be treated as an on-line commodity, but wants to engage his mind. He has to be treated with respect – more respect than is apparent in those who continually repeat the same linguistic formulae.

Do the difficult thing and think instead of formulise.”

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Taking lessons on table manners from a baby in his high chair?

The mantra is for “Sun Readers” LOL

@ dungeoneer:

“Do us a favor John,and leave the thinking to the grown ups.”

It didn’t seem to me that he was a pro-White carrying water for the anti-Whites. It’s inevitable that people will respond to us by running their minds about our stuff in various ways, and as long as they aren’t offering active opposition, to me they are just more posts that include the term “White genocide,” and therefor are carrying water for us.

But maybe I’m wrong…I remember being surprised when Bob wrote a coaching session not too long ago on the importance of (admitting to our own number, at least) people who can do it RIGHT. And I guess if our voices get drowned out by voices doing it wrong….hey, no, I don’t think it matters…if it ever gets so big that the media reports on it, they will garble it whether the people doing it have garbled it or not.

I don’t know. Just thinking aloud, I guess.

Okay, how about talking to pro-Whites like him a little more nicely and inviting him over to find out how it’s done? Boosting him in the right direction rather than damping his spirit? Just an idea…I”ve scarcely been out there yet, but as a general rule in life I find it almost always counterproductive to be the one who gets nasty first!

In addition if you are dealing with an anti-White who has said something that warrants to “hysterical” response, you can add this bit to the end:

Of course you wouldn’t, because you “anti-racists” are not anti-Black. You are only anti-White.

“Anti-racist” is a code word for anti-White.

Well,well,well, look what we have here as response to that last comment of mine:

John Piggott
4 hours ago
As it happens, I am the owner of a significant American website that is the home of creative (ie, not merely analytical) thought in WN. You are in the process of biting off more than you can intellectually chew. Want to test that claim?
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My reply:

“Whoever you are,and whatever your website is,I am on solid ground with my use of the white genocide mantra”

@ dungeoneer: I spoke too soon, sorry. Looking at more posts, I agree with you. Your post was a gentle suggestion.

But, should we suggest at all? Maybe we should just model, especially on mainstream sites. I think that was what Horus was telling me to do even on pro-White sites. Maybe you and I are both finding out today that we are suddenly in a fight with tar babies when we do anything else except just model.

Most people out there are VERY thin skinned. It has something to do with being isolated I think. I was like that when I first arrived here; I was frightened of how I was going to react when criticism came my way. Now I”m considerably less sensitive after just a few months, because I’m very conscious that we are working together for an end. Those people out there don’t have the benefit of that collective feeling, and are a LOT touchier. That’s my theory. Please don’t correct it! Lol! 🙂

It’s so easy to fall back into the human habit of thinking that other people will be reasonable by one’s own lights, if one just gives them the opportunity. They almost never are. Instead they just think that YOU are being UNreasonable!