PeterGene writes says his use of “Sorry” was unfortunate.
Actually, PeterGene, I am trying to break EVERYBODY here from being apologetic asbout doing their own thinking. This is routine and I have said this many times to others.
I can’t tell that English is not your native tongue by your writings. The ONLY mistake you make is using “i” instead of “I.” I have no idea whey we capitalize that pronoun and no other.
Budarick also shows that much of what I have to say about Wordism and bureaucracy is well known by wise men:
“My teacher, when I was a young man told us an interesting story.”
“I will paraphrase it here because I think the story describes beautifully what is wrong with religion.”
“He said: ‘One day God and Satan were going for a stroll together looking for converts.
They followed a man they thought was ripe for the picking. Suddenly the man stopped walking and looked down. He saw something and picked it up. They could see a radiant glow of bliss come over his eyes and face. Satan asked God ‘What did that man find which has changed him so?’ God replied: ‘It is a bad day for you old fellow, that man found a piece of truth!’ Satan replied smiling: ‘Oh no old chap, all I have to do is wait and let him organize it!'”
#1 by Peter Gene Budarick on 03/22/2006 - 10:01 am
I understand Bob.
It is important that young people [and all people in fact} think for themselves and test new ways of understanding what life presents to them [reality] by offering the new ways [they found or intuit or hope for or constructed or dreamed….] for scrutiny, on some community forum, were they will innevitably be challanged and encounter questions.
THAT IS NORMAL.
If i say anything then it will be challanged. At least i hope so.
I don’t have a problem with being sorry. And i perfectly understand were you are comming from Bob with this “sorry” thing. By all means let all of us question and challange honestly and with passion, and no fear of being radical, or being unpolite and all that.
OK.
If no one else has the guts to challange something, then Bob certainly will.
Now i don’t have a problem with that!
I don’t claim to have the right perception on all things.
I depend on other human beings, preferrably of my race and kin to help me, to question and challange me so that we all together may better understand the truth of our predicamant. And i can tell you now that there is no end to that. No arival at a safe haven and bliss forever!
If by soem madness we exterminated all the Jews on this planet we would be no better off – possibly far worse off.
We would still have to confront our own humanity. We are essentially not so different from Jews.
I know that life was not meant to be easy.
But i also say that it was not meant to be “Hell On Earth”.
Now i know that this is a challange to you because i know as a fact that LIFE IS HELL ON EARTH FOR MOST PEOPLE.
I say NO to that!
I challange that! I always have and it has brought me no frineds because most peole wish to live in misery.
If someone shames me i ask “why do you shame me? What do you gain from it?”
When someone tortures me i say “Yes i feel the pain and wish to avoid it. BUT i don’t hate you. I wish to know why you torture me. I wish to know what can you possibly gain since you will soon be totally erased from the Universe and the heavens shall record not your existance but your evil acts will bring misery for the human race for all eternity”.
Ok, lets move on…..
Yes Bob your espression about wordism is VERY accurate. The moment i read it i realized that here was soemone who saw something very important. Most importantly Bob has seen it for himself. Original!
Jesus, Bob did not have to read Korsibski [as i did] to fully understand wordism. Now i admire that kind natural intelligence.
What is amazing is that so few people actually see it. Its been around for at least 500o years. That is a long time for people not miss soemthing very obvious.
Bob sees it. His writing just screams with rightious indignation. That S C R E A M — ONLY happens when a man has SEEN something! It can be very disturbing. It can be a danger to good health.
But the bad news is that also wordism will use wordism for escape.
Yes i know thewre is always bad news.
I will tell some things….
One day some reporter asked my teacher why he was doing what he was doing.
Well what was K doing for 70 years or so during the 20th Century?
The reporter said that K had not produced any followers and that he was not sucessful in what he was doing. And he questioned if K actually knew the “truth”. And he asked him, “why are you a wise man”?
That was interesting because K was born a Hindu but was raised in the West and he did not have many good things to say about Gandhi whom K consigered to be a “violent man”. Also K hated Communism!
K was most passionately opposed to the young people being ripped off by Indian Gurus and Jewish psychiatrists.
So K was unique on the planet.
So back to the interview…..
K said [paraphrased]: “Well i don’t actually know, but i do know that i can sort of smell myself deceiving myself. I simply notice it. And then it stops. I just can’t help it.
Of what good are millions of followers whose eyes are turned to delusion and who are embalmed in comforting lies? When you see all the suffering in the world which need not be if people only understood?
It is good to have the comapany of good man [Satsan]. Being good, one is also wise. BUT NOT: being wise one is necessarily good [PGB – here i think of Saruman in TLOTR].
[K continues] What concerns me is what will happen if you are no longer under the influence if good men. How will you be guided? Or is that the wrong question? If K did not exist how would you determine the truth? How can you depend on another, however good he may be, and also lead a dignified life? Do you not know in your own heart, if you are good, or not, without needing another to tell you? If you need another to to tell you what you are, what does this mean?
My work and wish is to set mankind unconditionally free, especially free of worshiping me. I am an instrument for you to use, i am not your fuerer.
The follower enslaves the leader. Once you are a leader you have no freedom whatsoever to investigate truth. I am not your leader!”
K was very interesting and had a view of life we don’t find in any other. It was a rare combination of courage, humility and nobility. And he made sure that he would pass into the ocean of light without fuss and in almost complete anonymity.
That for me is the greatest sign any man can make. To die as a nothing even though he was the greatest.
But he lives on NOW through those who touched him.
That is the whole point.
The wordism we could generate relative to him means nothing.
If you and i are good [not wise] and we let the young people use us [use our experience etc.] then that is our fullfillment. We are instruments for the young to use. It is their job not to be too respectful of us, but rather to challange us without fear [without being sorry for speaking their minds] to extract what they need from US for future generations of OUR race.
I believe in Jesus.
I also believe that i only exist for others, specifically children [the future of our race].
That is why in the Q religion i am creating, Children are denoted as “Godlings” and “Godletts” [as you see in a previous post by me in response to abortion].
I mean, look, why kill children in the womb, when there are adults who would willingly die to hold them in their arms and suffer all the pains to raise them?
It is crazy.
PGB
#2 by Derek on 03/22/2006 - 10:20 am
I think that we capitalize I so that we show possession or significance? This should be pretty elementary….but even I am stumped.
#3 by LibAnon on 03/22/2006 - 2:06 pm
“Bob did not have to read Korsibski [as i did] to fully understand wordism.”
Just out of curiosity, Bob, HAVE you read Korzybski? I’ve noticed this parallel, too.