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Shari

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My maternal Grandmother’s people, like Bob’s went back to before the declaration or constitution were written. The rest of my ancesters came from like places as hers originally did. Places like Cornwall, Scotland, Germany, the Isle of Man. They just came later. So, I’m stuck, if I’m not American what the hedoubletoothoothpick can I be? And I don’t accept propositions!

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ME:

LOL!

As to the maternal versus the paternal sides of your family, this is exactly what I meant by EXPANDING on my ideas. I get SO tired of saying that “a nation of immigrants” is silly and then having some white person on Stormfront say, “Well, my family immigrated. What have you got about immigrants?”

When I die, who is going to do the THINKING?

OK, back to basics. The Preamble says “We the people of the United States — to ourselves and our posterity.”

They did NOT say, “Nobody else will ever be allowed to come to our shores again, forever.” So what DID they mean? Obviously they meant that the United States Government under the Constitution had no right to do ANYTHING that was not for the benefit of the people already here.

Think a second. Since they didn’t mean that no one else would ever be allowed to come here, what DID they mean? They meant that the United States Government had no right to formulate ANY policy, INCLUDING IMMIGRATION POLICY, unless it was for the benefit of the people and our posterity.

It is very hard for me to even have a rational discussion with people who can’t figure this out for themselves. Your paternal ancestors got here because your maternal ancestors WANTED them here. Indians wanted to keep three square miles per capita and we needed more people from OUR Old Country to come and help drive them off. We needed more people like ourselves so we invited them in.

This is the exact opposite of some sort of obligation to accept all immigrants because our great great great great great grandfathers immigrated.

I can’t deal with this! Nobody but me seems to be able to logic this out. Why can’t people do some thinking on their own?

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Neville: EXPANDING Ideas

Bob says: ”Now there is an idea you could EXPAND on. How is information PRODUCED? What INCENTIVES are there to keep beating dead horses? What concepts have simply not appeared for this reason, and exactly why?”

The first part is easy! You’ve already spilled blood all over the keyboard writing on this and to top it off your last radio show was on it.
Information is produced by the market. When you go to make a product you first do market research. if you are a researcher, you find out where the grants are, that is what the market wants to buy.
There are incentives to keep beating the dead horse, if you follow the line you get published, you get the grants, you get a career. Stray from the line, you become an unperson, your funding is pulled, and you become vilified. In an earlier blog there was a mention of Billy Mitchell, An advocate of air power in an age where the focus was still on surface ships. His reward? Court martial for insubordination.
For the third part of your question, I’m going to have to pass it off to someone else because my mind is too small to know. If I was to guess I’m sure that Galileo could be worked in.

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I gave my concept of the production of information as an EXAMPLE. I want you to EXPAND on it, to see OTHER parts of our society in that light.

Oriental students often consider our obsession with their IQ scores to be humorous. They send ten or twelve hours daily on schoolwork, and IQ tests are just one more puzzle to them.

By “puzzle,” I mean that the Oriental finds the answer his teachers already know. He CREATES nothing.

An individual Chinese, among the billions, actually built a mechanical clock. We have his name and the history of the clock.

THE clock.

It survived for a couple of hundred years and that was the end of the Chinese mechanical clock.

Copernicus is a milestone in our history, even though he was dead wrong. Copernicus declared that the earth was not the immovable center of the universe, as the Bible claimed, but that the SUN was the immovable center of the universe. The reason that Copernicus is considered critical is because he was a MILESTONE. He began the theory of a universe not based on biblical cosmology, and Newton went from there to our present concept of the universe.

In China, Copernicus would be a historical footnote. There are no intellectual milestones in Chinese history. A milestone is on the way to somewhere. Without white input the Orient is no more on the way to anywhere than an ant colony is.

In this sense, today’s discussions are very Oriental. Like the rabbis, we take a concept and argue over it, find out whether each detail of it is true, but we don’t BUILD on it.

Charles Darwin was afraid to publish his Origin of Species for many years, and then a younger man wrote him a letter which exposed the whole theory and asked what he thought of it. That made Darwin publish it.

Where is this younger man get the idea? Did he take a trip to the Galapagos and find a Revelation?

No. He read Malthus and immediately came up with evolution. Malthus said that population expands geometrically and food production cannot keep up with it, so starvation must ensue. This younger man, instead of joining in the debate on Malthus and the details about Malthus, EXPANDED the CONCEPT to the entire animal world. The idea of extinction was not generally recognized then. He realized that some animal groups would survive and some would not. He went on from there to evolution.

Darwin’s trip to the Galapagos makes a better story, but this young man makes a far more IMPORTANT story. In the Orient, the idea might have died with Darwin. Movable type was in Korea, which had an alphabet, but it was never used for anything. In the West movable type led to a total revolution. Black powder in the Orient led to some fireworks. Again, the invention was expanded on in the West and revolutionized our society and led to the satellite I am using right now.

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