Let me introduce this topic in a typical Bob way:
I am going to beat a point in with shameless repetition so you might NOTICE it: I keep trying to remind BUGSERS the problem of filling time, time filling, filling time.
Time filling — we are normally given only a few words to get in a meme.
The memes work perfectly in getting attention and on the vanishingly few news reports we get from our efforts.
It took us years to develop our meme strategy.
One end of the spectrum is getting impact into a tiny space we can steal on the Internet before the Thought Police move in.
At the other end of the spectrum is another natural result of our hitting them mercilessly: We get asked to go on small, sympathetic talk programs.
When we have to FILL TIME.
I am still trying to figure out how to do this.
If the HOST and his AUDIENCE want to discuss Jews and, God forbid, The Latest News, how do we get as much of the discussion as possible onto the REAL point?
If your audience cannot be held by an hour of repetition of the same memes that you use in the precious little space we can get on the Internet, what do you do?
For a group which has made the strategic breakthrough in USING tiny amounts of time, the problem of FILLING TIME is a whole new field.
I KNOW that not a precious Meme Second should be wasted on News, Jews, or Traditional Values.
It took me YEARS to develop that White Genocide concept and to find a handful of people who would use that with discipline.
Now we have our own programs competing for an audience. Now we have Trucker Roy speaking where no BUGSER would have been allowed a word, among the BIG Guys of our movement.
We have our own White Genocide web site.
HD’s petitions on white genocide put us onto the national news sites.
We have stirred a civil war between the ADL and the SPLC. 
And what is most important to me, most of this was NOT my doing!
I am a political warfare expert, probably the only real one still alive.
So each part of the battle plan requires a rethinking.
And each step requires looking at it SEPARATELY.
Over twenty times I have outlined how the French fought three separate wars against Germany, each one exactly the same way, and were defeated each time within a month.
If they fought another war against Germany, France would fight it the same way.
I developed this strategy because we pro-whites were LOSING.
No leading pro-white will admit that any more than any French general will admit the French were just plain STUPID.
Do we adopt EXACTLY the same strategy on FILLING TIME that we did on USING TIME?
The war is reaching its second stage.
We got to the second stage by rethinking everything that kept stopping pro-whites on the first stage.
One point will not change: We have to get attention on the Message of Our Memes: White Genocide.
But when time is ample and we need to suit our hosts or A DIFFERENT AUDIENCE, as White Rabbit and Truck Roy have to do, let’s realize we are not French Generals.
#1 by jo3w on 04/26/2015 - 2:48 pm
Filling time wasn’t an issue with the porch talk/untrained eye sessions. I think that’s a good place to start.
#2 by Jason on 04/27/2015 - 2:30 am
Good point. But that requires someone who has a rich inventory of pro-Whites things to say from a BUGSER viewpoint. And if someone wants to be a pro-White talker in the media, he should be working on that.
Don’t get too much into a Host-Pleasing mode. If you go on a show, you have something unique to offer. Don’t feel like you have to chase them and their preoccupation with Masons and Elites.
If there is ever a broad pro-White movement, it won’t be led by people who used the same language that didn’t work for 70 years. I suspect the mass audience of Whites is looking for something new.
#3 by Henry Davenport on 04/26/2015 - 3:34 pm
“I am still trying to figure out how to do this.”
I had to stop and laugh when I reached this line, because I’ve been thinking so hard about this!
And I’ve made wonderful progress, since I’ve reached the point of complete confusion. I believe I can presently make a good argument for at least two opposing points of view on one aspect of the question.
Operationally, I’m still summarizing for the SF radio archives Roy’s “5 for Friday” show, and occasional other of those programs, and I’m hanging slightly with NYF
http://whitegenocideproject.com/appalachian-state-universitys-chief-white-genocide-officer-calls-for-surprise-white-genocide/ *
Thanks, Bob, for laying out the basic question so simply and so clearly!
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*Everyone please note the final paragraphs in that article, but let’s not discuss that on this thread. I’ll be starting another thread on BUGS today about a possible larger effort that includes that.
#4 by time for freedom on 04/26/2015 - 5:53 pm
Well, our anti-white enemy has done this expertly for better part of a hundred years. Maybe we should study their methods of filling time. They were always able to bring everything back to the fictional White racism/privilege as the cause of everything, and they did this in every convo or program in which they were allowed to fill time. I grew up having to witness this crap, we all had to.
Now if we do get to fill time on ‘small, sympathetic radio shows,’ then they are already sympathetic to the issue of White Genocide and would be willing to have a guest bring news and views back to anti-whiteism and White Genocide. Everything has to be re-interpreted in terms of anti-whiteism and White Genocide.
How is this done? Well, we know that EVERYTHING IS ANTI-WHITE, ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, and we know how to complain naturally. I think we were just starting to really learn how to do this on our Paltalk discussions and the anti-whites were always complaining about it. It drove them nuts, but it was very satisfying to our side and our sympathizers. White people would be willing to listen to a professional pro-white complainer and accuser. This takes skill and practice, practice, and more practice.
#5 by Tom Bowie on 04/26/2015 - 8:00 pm
I find it easy most of the time to bring any message back to White GeNOcide with a sympathetic audience. With such an audience however there is the tendency to think they can tackle the problem from every and any process imaginable.
It was a natural development that if I could bring the topic back to White GeNOcide, I could do it with other things. Simple things like how did our foes gain the fortune or institutions to start with; by staying on a consistent message. White GeNOcide sells itself mostly, staying on message is a more difficult sale because its to simple to work; even if it works.
It seems to me to be much the same process; a verbal tug of war until it sinks in; until the LOL response stops (so-to-say). The only difference is that we’re not at war with a sympathetic audience Mostly. The Mostly part is somewhat important as some are not Pro-White, they’re Pro-Vengeance. The Pro-Vengeance people will gladly sacrifice every White Child so that they can enjoy their torture and blood.
If you think you’ve seen nastiness from the Anti-Whites, just wait until you go against some of the worst Pro-Vengeance Psychos. The White and Normal fence sitters will even tell me that it’d be a great benefit if these Pro-Vengeance people would join the other side.
– As for the filler our enemy uses, not all of it comes back to White GeNOcide directly. I’ve observed they’ll often do a build up of a non-White or non-White group sometimes (sometimes not always) followed by a “Very Short” unrelated story before; the sad tale involving an evil naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews. In effect they produce an emotional high and then turn it into an Anti-White hate-fest.
#6 by -cecilhenry- on 04/26/2015 - 6:27 pm
I just make this comment as something to consider in answering that question of ‘filling time’. I certainly agree that white Genocide is impacting EVERY issue and can readily be tied to it.
But what I notice, often with despair/frustration, is that when I discuss and point out white Genocide, and the audience can’t deny it— I notice the same pattern of response.
Everyone wants to pontificate of how smart they are, how moral they are and how the causes and issues are very complicated… Then the go on a high minded rant to stroke their egos and condescend on the issue for minutes. OR days or just think they’re done, and the issue is done because ….good answer…!!!
For example, the Camp of the Saints situation in Italy just evokes the response—‘people are desperate’!!!!
I look on in disgust and bemusement. This is White Genocide. Not fancy answers. Not show me how good you are. Its Genocide. We need to STOP IT. PERIOD..
But there is a need for people to do this. Socially, emotionally.
So I think==let them speak and get it out…. that’s the filling time….. THEN bring it back to White Genocide. Kind of like psychoanalysis with the patient on the couch. ‘So what does that really say about you anti-white attitudes’… etc
And ask them where the hell they’ve been (nicely) that led to that tangential rant???
People want to give answers in a conversation that will raise their perceived social status. Nothing else.
So that’s something we somehow must recognize in filling time.
#7 by Daniel Genseric on 04/26/2015 - 7:23 pm
This is so easy it’s not even funny.
Too bad there isn’t one person here besides BOB who would be able to hear me, if I bothered to repeat it again.
It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that I am wasting my time and talent here. Certain “bugsters” say it is because of my lack of tact. The chronically deaf and purposefully impotent have branded me “self-righteous.” The simple truth is THEY (most of you) can NOT handle the truth. Their reasons for doing so are unique.
They say I have driven BUGSters away as they continue to chase the old timers out.
However, reality remains; you have been subverted.
#8 by time for freedom on 04/27/2015 - 5:24 am
Daniel, just remember that
Anti-racist is a codeword for Anti-White
Racist is just and anti-White HATE word used by crazy anti-Whites who want White Genocide
Diversity is a codeword for White Genocide
That’s what this is all about. Sometimes in the heat of emotion we can forget that.
#9 by John White on 04/26/2015 - 8:05 pm
Different stage, different tactics.
The do’s and don’ts of Mantra tactics were never about principles, but results.
If more and more white-and-normal people in America are talking like Stormfront posters now is, in my opinion, because of the Mantra–not inspite of it.
A Bugser work was that of a sniper. And snipers don’t scream “I’m up here and I’m going to fire at you!”
As a side note, in Europe an anonymous Internet poster still CAN go to jail for naming certain anti-whites by their ethnic persuasion.
Furthermore, if one is trying to raise funds for a Fundamentalist Christian church, maybe using porn images is not the best approach.
It’s not a question of free speech. Free speech is a principle. BUGS was not about principles, but results.
And yet, IF the game has really changed so much that we can not only speak freely about White Genocide but we can even name anti-whites by their particular group identity, then that is all well and good.
Maybe it’s like that in the USA now. In my country, however, I’ve seen twitter users go to prison days ago for saying bad things about other ethnic groups.
#10 by Henry Davenport on 04/27/2015 - 3:02 am
Some good filler coming up in the White House meme messages for May. (I hadn’t realized that filler is what the White House Meme Team has been doing for over two years).
Trying to fit filler to the memes is satisfying work. Here’s our titles for the two new ones for May:
Tell White Americans: “White folk, look at your own family, or families you know, and see it happening.”
Denounce Supreme Court for allowing that shirts displaying Mexico’s flag must be turned inside out on 4th of July
Not exactly filler, that first one, but the second one is for sure.
(The wording of the second one seems slightly awkward to me, but it was bent to fit the facts…the Supreme Court simply declined to review the case. If anyone quickly sees a fix, let me know…these will be submitted Wednesday night).
#11 by time for freedom on 04/27/2015 - 3:21 am
Filling Time is what we must do to set up and direct the discussion to White Genocide
#12 by Simmons on 04/27/2015 - 10:17 am
Since “our” side is the usual gaggle of intellectual tailgaters it will as I said years ago its change will come thru the Left.
Since “Anti-Racist Hitler” gave “anti-racism” a mortal wound the anti-whites have become explicit in their anti-white venomous rhetoric, and god bless them for it.
Every Jooooossss discussion can be turned around to our White Zionist cause, every one of them, the UN Convention on Genocide, written for them, written for us.
Every “News” story today will be almost exclusively anti-white and hence you can nearly always invoke one of the clauses of the same UN Convention on Genocide to the story.
#13 by Jason on 04/28/2015 - 7:50 am
Preliminary Report: The term “Orwellian Creeps” seriously bothers Anti-Whites & PC Drones.
#14 by Bob on 04/29/2015 - 10:51 am
A lot of great, ON TARGET comments here!
This sounds like the pros I have worked so hard to develop!
#15 by Henry Davenport on 04/29/2015 - 5:26 pm
“But when time is ample and we need to suit our hosts or A DIFFERENT AUDIENCE, as White Rabbit and Truck Roy have to do, let’s realize we are not French Generals.
I’ve wondered for a good while just who the audience is for Horus, for White GeNOcide Project, for the Stormfront website, and for Stormfront radio, and if those audiences are worth bothering with or not.
A person whose answer I have right much faith in told me today that a large part of Horus’ audience is alt. news/conspiracy folk who, if they really get ahold of “White Genocide” as a conspiracy, could drive it into the mainstream. Okay, that answer sounds very good, at least as far as it goes, and maybe it goes far enough.
The Stormfront website? The only thing I know for sure about that audience is that you cannot get any but the very fewest of them to do anything that’s on message. (Or off message for that matter…I’ve seen the occasional SF’er, full of enthusiasm for his newly written White House petition that’s well written about some subject amenable to SF’ers, walk away dejected and astonished 5 days and 25 signatures later, but a lot wiser about the nature of Stormfront. SF’ers will do some important things, like even help each other out financially sometimes…very impressive…but anything that’s not the same old same old is apparently Martian behavior to most of them.
Without a lot of basis to say so, I assume the SF radio audience is pretty much the same. Certainly the one time I was on there asking for the 150 sigs on our White House meme messages that would make them visible, there was no noticeable response from their 10,000 listeners.
WGP apparently attracts the same sort of newshounds. 2000 to 4000 a day, and less than ONE of them each month on average clicks on the highly visible animated blue “Stalwart” rectangle and offers to help with the White House project on the first of each month. WGP I can’t really look at objectively because I feel a special attachment to it, but I do think that at the very least it serves a purpose just because it exists and we can refer to it in situations where that’s useful. And I assume it has some useful effect on its audience since we are rather resolutely on message. And like Stormfront, it makes some people (we’ve had correspondence) feel that at least they are not all alone.
The little I know of the smaller radio programs seem mostly (but not entirely) like a squalid swamp. That’s probably not a completely fair judgment, since Kyle Hunt apparently used one or more of such programs to do banner work (!) for the first White Man March. And my own abilities are improved whenever I hear Horus or Truck Roy on such programs.
“Now we have our own programs competing for an audience. Now we have Trucker Roy speaking where no BUGSER would have been allowed a word, among the BIG Guys of our movement.”
I don’t recall Bob ever using the word “movement” before. I think that’s bait, and I’ll bite: Maybe a better word than “movement” is “constipation.”
BUT (and this maybe destroys most of what I’ve said): For the two Marches we’ve had so far, didn’t most of the money, and for the first one a huge amount of the work (in the person of Kyle Hunt), come from “the movement”?
I feel not quite on topic in this comment…I’m trying to get more clear-headed on how to use my own time.
#16 by Henry Davenport on 04/29/2015 - 6:16 pm
“…petitions on white genocide…”
I don’t think any of the filler that’s been used with these could do the memes much harm (hm, I haven’t really thought about it, and maybe I’m wrong. We’ve stayed away from certain pro-white topics but have touched on others, like black crime. I need to think about this).
In any case, the White House Meme Team is completely free to choose its filler, since the White House meme messages don’t converse with anyone.
So the question could be discussed, if we care to, whether Horus or Roy have put themselves in situations where their filler does do harm, or rather, harm that outweighs the good. I already made an extended argument for one position on that question beginning here in the “bully board” thread
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/national-youth-front-operation-bully-board/page/2/#post-102558
But since making that argument, I’m much less certain that there aren’t equally good arguments that take the opposite position. After the May 1 petitions are over, I hope to write such an argument on this thread, unless the points I would make have already been made by then by Horus, Roy, or others.
I think maybe the argument of Horus that made the biggest impression on me was his stating that I had a fear that the Mantra would go “poof” if jews were mentioned in its presence…something like that.
Well? When included in a mini-mantra, jew stuff does make the Mantra go poof…that point is where we’re starting from, right? I assume that’s what Bob meant a couple of years ago when he called down one of us for using the term “jewish banker” in a swarm post, and then said (I think it was on that occasion, but may have been on another occasion like it), that it would have been better to have said nothing at all than to add that in.
But I can see that on radio programs for example, there would be ways of cycling back to White Genocide that wouldn’t associate it so closely with whatever jew talk had come before.
#17 by HerDad on 04/29/2015 - 6:38 pm
WHOSE comments are on target?
#18 by Daniel Genseric on 05/01/2015 - 9:54 am
The following is the only on-target comment. That’s the problem with judeo sarcasm herr Dad. For shame, Bob.
BUGS has become shockingly…familiar.
Work expands to FILL TIME.
#19 by jo3w on 05/01/2015 - 3:45 pm
I read John Whites comment twice, then I read Genserics comment a couple of times.
John White-“The do’s and don’ts of Mantra tactics were never about principles, but results.”
Bob-“One end of the spectrum is getting impact into a tiny space we can steal on the Internet before the Thought Police move in.”(What we do because it works)
“At the other end of the spectrum is another natural result of our hitting them mercilessly: We get asked to go on small, sympathetic talk programs.”(What countless other proWhites have done before us.)
Bob-“If they fought another war against Germany, France would fight it the same way.
I developed this strategy because we pro-whites were LOSING.”
Genseric-“Work expands to FILL TIME.”
What I’m trying to point out here, and maybe what Genseric is getting at, is that doing interviews on sympathetic radio shows is like being a French General. BUGS is about what works, and so far if hundreds of proWhites have tried the sympathetic talk show route and failed why would our attempt be any different.
#20 by Jason on 05/01/2015 - 11:43 pm
“…doing interviews on sympathetic radio shows is like being a French General.”
That’s an important point. BUGSERS please don’t end up mimicking what hasn’t worked for 70 years. It’s a subtle thing. You are on a show, you want to be friendly with host, etc. etc., and you end up going with their flow. Lethal.
The broader point is valid. How much good can come from being on those tiny pro-White shows?
How many pro-Whites have never heard the Mantra at this point!
#21 by Tom Bowie on 05/01/2015 - 7:36 pm
The Long March Through the Institutions.
While often an example of what Anti-Whites did, its not an exclusive event. Pro-White = White and Normal, got turned into White Nationalism = Word-ism.
If we don’t like the fact that our institution/movement/whatever was taken over; we can take it back.
Yeah, its hard to see but, the differences in White Nationalism and simply being Pro-White will become clearer over time to not only us but, to all White and Normal Folks as well.
Hardly a trivial accomplishment even in such an early stage of development. Hard to see but, not hidden.
#22 by Henry Davenport on 05/01/2015 - 9:36 pm
Tom,
I’d like to see us somehow build up fightwhitegenocide.com as a prominent pro-White website.
It’s the only site we have except BUGS that is dedicated specifically and solely to useful activism, and useful activism is what Whites should see and be drawn to when they check out “the White movement.”
Present pro-white sites draw people who are not doers.
#23 by Tom Bowie on 05/01/2015 - 11:09 pm
I got a chance tonight to indirectly promote it tonight to at least a somewhat Pro-White-ish (even if White Nationalist) audience along with the White House Billboard.
Yeah, I was mostly banging my head into the wall but, I’ve learned to wear a helmet. Also as I recall, my rebirth from a White Nationalist into a Pro-White started by signing a simple petition way back in the old days. (so-to-say)
Perhaps I’ll be able to give that gift I was given to another person as well. It was a better gift than even my first gun on a Christmas Morning as a young boy. (So call me an Optimist if you must.)
#24 by Denounce Genocidists on 05/02/2015 - 12:16 pm
“It’s the only site we have except BUGS that is dedicated specifically and solely to useful activism”
Where would we be in this struggle without White Rabbit Radio?
Hint from the Coach: “I am in awe of White Rabbit”
#25 by Jason on 05/01/2015 - 11:50 pm
And please, BUGSERS, don’t spend any time trying to “rehabilitate” AMPWs. Your time is too valuable to our cause. They are Time Vampires.
#26 by Henry Davenport on 05/04/2015 - 6:32 pm
I wrote above:
But I can see that on radio programs for example, there would be ways of cycling back to White Genocide that wouldn’t associate it so closely with whatever jew talk had come before.
Since I wrote that, I’ve been listening to some of Horus’ more recent interview podcasts, and am in the middle of his appearance on Circus Maximus about a year ago: http://kiwi6.com/file/wxsbhyngok
With caller “RJ” from 88:27 to 94:34, I think Horus does an absolutely brilliant job of pretty much what I just mentioned, as well as handling other topics. Incredibly and subtly brilliant IMO. And as I’ve said, I’ve heard him do just as well on some other occasions.
I’ll listen to some more. I haven’t listened to Horus much because his rapid-fire energy fuses my mental circuits. I do better when there’s other people on with him.
In his interview with Beefcake, I did prefer Beefcake’s suggested responses in a couple of instances (I think it was concerning jew stuff) to Horus’s. But generally I’m getting the impression that Horus is doing a rather brilliant job at least of doing exactly what he says he’s doing.
That’s as far as my mind can go right now, and hopefully I’m done with this topic for a good long while, since it’s absolutely exhausting. This general topic is for (mainly Bob, and) some of you younger people to think about as BUGS inevitably moves into the larger world in some ways different from our ways so far.
Concerning which, I just did a little summary here:
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/emails-tweets-to-publicly-sinning-anti-whites-forever-after/#post-102822