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06/25/2012 at 9:27 pm #26558Henry DavenportParticipant
“Interesting” and weird, right? Lol…it’s even looking weird to me! I shouldn’t prejudice it by saying that though.
And I misspoke while in a rush…I usually respond to any appearance of the word “racist” not with posts like the above, but with,
“If Africa were being flooded with non-Africans and Africans forced by law to integrate with the non-Africans so as to ‘assimilate,’ i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence, would you scream the R-word at any African who objected?”
Posts like the ones I copied above I use when an anti-white says, as biter did today, that we are robots repeating our mantra over and over.
06/26/2012 at 2:39 am #26563JasonParticipantI see a few people – maybe not BUGsters – on YouTube who are arguing with other posters over which is the superior or inferior race in some regard. That is almost always a waste of time and has nothing to do with our right to exist as a people. I know the regular folks here know that, but this is a reminder to new people. Mantra work is about our right to exist and exposing White Genocide, it is not about putting anyone else down – that is a distraction. It is easy to get worked up over anti-White hate, but remember, in the long run they are helping OUR SIDE when they spew genocidal hate for Whites openly. When they break down and admit their hate publicly, we have won. We have proven what they are. Don’t step on their admission of hate by appearing hateful yourself.
06/26/2012 at 3:39 am #26565Daniel GensericParticipantJason, how many times have you seen me swear profusely on this board? Now, of those times, how many can you locate? You don’t need to lecture me on something that isn’t common.
NEVER discourage a pro-white from pushing the Mantra or the message, especially those who put their faces out there. N-E-V-E-R. You seemed to have MISSED my point because your feewings got hurt. That’s unfortunate.
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No. As far as I know, HD is the only person here literally suggesting that we type it out. At least you seem to have a loose understanding of the bit about the QUOTE r-word UNQUOTE; something I deem to be COMMON SENSE. hahaA real Pussy Cat,
-G06/26/2012 at 3:44 am #26566Daniel GensericParticipantHD,
I think you lost it. I think your audience is lost. Just my take on it.
06/26/2012 at 4:11 am #26571JasonParticipantG, You seem to have a habit of picking fights with people online. I guess that is convenient if they aren’t physically close to you. Easier and safer to play Rooster that way. I believe you started an entire thread based on your need to “vent” not long ago. Gosh, even a “greenhorn” would know better. And it isn’t so much that you did it, it’s that you respond with venom when anyone points out that while your emotional need to express yourself may be understandable, it isn’t quite appropriate.
I will continue to criticize freely any video or approach that I think could be improved. I will give feedback. I reject your admonishment. Note, I didn’t go on that guy’s YT account or his website and say anything negative that would hurt the Mantra. I certainly wasn’t as big a jerk as you have been to several people on here. I guess you have aspirations to be thought of as a leader? You seem very, very jealous of your “position”. Well, if you want to be a leader, act like one. All the other people who have been here a long time have been very hospitable.
Learn from them.
06/26/2012 at 5:11 am #26575JasonParticipantDG, I don’t want to get into a pissing match. If I said something a while back that was disrespectful to you, I didn’t mean to. I was coming from a site that had just had a problem with a lot of Day of the Rope people (not SF), who were just showing off, so I was attuned to it. I respect the work you are doing very much.
06/26/2012 at 5:48 am #26576Daniel GensericParticipantYou win Jason. I’m not a Leader. Bob isn’t either.
You’re right. I’m wrong. Now shut up and go kill something.
06/26/2012 at 6:18 am #26577JasonParticipantG, LOL. You got it. Sword is drawn. The Anti-Whites look wobbly.
06/26/2012 at 1:13 pm #26593J LockeParticipantPosted mantra on 40 music videos.
@Jason I debated ViciousBiter about inequality recently because I knew mantra points haven’t worked on him. I wanted to see if something else would work.I still think a person has to understand that races aren’t equal before they will care about White Genocide or before the mantra will work on them. I might be wrong. I think that even Bob wouldn’t care about White Genocide if the races were equal, so how can we expect anti-Whites to care?
06/26/2012 at 1:23 pm #26594Henry DavenportParticipantBOB ON THE R-WORD:
A commenter asked me about the use of the word “racist, so I said that we…do not use the word “racist” except in “anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.’
….In my experience, all rules of conduct have exceptions.
….You can try using racist, but look CAREFULLY at the RESULT. Go over the exchange later to see if it gave them some loophole, some relief.
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2012/01/11/a-little-a-little-breathing-room/Bob has also said,
The charge of racist should be met with the exact words no respectable conservative ever dares to ask: “What is a racist?”
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2012/01/06/a-real-insult/
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In answer to a bugser’s question and my own curiosity, I’ve found the two posts I’ve referred to.The first was posted to me by Dungeoneer a couple of days after I arrived at this site:
HarumptyDumpty, we don`t want to be using the word racist on its own very much.
Our goal is not to defend the word racist,it`s to show that “anti-racism” is just a codeword for anti-white.
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/debate-advice-and-style/page/8/I recalled that post as being more absolute than it is, and I also overlooked that it was written in response to a post of my own that used the word “racism” excessively.
The other post was a more recent one by Simmons, that I took at the time as being the explanation for bugsers having decided to not use the R-word(s):
HD let me help confuse the situation for you. When we started getting rolling here and my N&J was being purged, I used to rant against using the word “racist” since our use seemed to be taking the anti-Whites at face value.
All of our side seemed to use the word “racist” at the anti-Whites definition. If racist was used at AmRen it then provoked the follow up from them of reams of stats and facts (all true by the way).
“Racist” a few years ago meant White and nothing but White.
A few years Anno Mantra we few Bugsters have destroyed that world wide myth. Yes I truly believe that we have changed this discourse.
So in true confusing fashion I have picked up their spit ball with rubber gloves and have begun to wing it back at them.
Though I still never ever vary off of, Anti-racism means nothing but anti-White.”And yes, to my surprise it does appear that I’m the only one touting the expression, “R-word.” I still think that’s a good idea for all the reasons I’ve stated, and for the reason Six Gun added, though he’s not in agreement with me here. Six Gun’s observations and suggestions are, as usual, very interesting.
I’m so sick of this topic! I’ll be surprised (not really) if I ever raise it again! But I do think it’s important and I welcome more feedback.
06/26/2012 at 1:53 pm #26597Henry DavenportParticipant@ John Locke:
John, realize that we aren’t trying to convert the anti-whites we do combat with, since our target is the audience of reachable whites who are reading the comments! I find Biter an excellent foil…he seems not too bright and gives openings for just about any Mantra points we want to make for the benefit of our target audience.
I think your surmise about what Bob’s view would be is probably mistaken, but I hope your following very interesting statement will engender some discussion:
“I still think a person has to understand that races aren’t equal before they will care about White Genocide or before the mantra will work on them. I might be wrong.”
I think the great majority of whites, whatever their professed beliefs may be, understand viscerally that the races are different, at least in the case of some races. The Mantra points out how the white race is being treated differently from other races, and the constant emphasis on this different treatment that the Mantra describes should IMO help bring to life the buried feelings of difference that I believe whites already have.
Now I just made that up on the spot (it does seem true to me)…you raise an interesting point I’ve never thought about, and I’m very curious to hear what others may have to say.
06/26/2012 at 2:15 pm #26599Henry DavenportParticipant@ John Locke: Personally I think the availability of info about inequality of the races on other white sites, and the fact that some whites post about it in the mainstream, is a good thing. But if WE include that alongside our bugser posts, it diverts attention from our message in various ways.
06/26/2012 at 3:18 pm #26602J LockeParticipant@HD
I would like to know if Bob and others agree with you. Is the only reason the mantra will be successful because, you think, Whites really don’t believe in racial equality deep down inside themselves? I think roughly 2/3 of Whites in America have some awareness of racial inequality, often suppresed, but is that going to be enough people to save Whites? It might be less than 1/2 in some European countries.
06/26/2012 at 4:57 pm #26608Daniel GensericParticipantGentlemen,
STOPPING white genocide is about one thing and ONLY one thing. OUR RACE’s ability to secure a home for our long term survival. That is it. What does superiority and/or Equality have to do with what I just wrote? Bob frequently writes about this. I don’t mean to sound vicious, but are we experiencing blackouts lately?
Let’s not over-think white genocide and the psyche of whites. Self-preservation is as primal and instinctive as it gets. It really is as simple as it sounds.
06/26/2012 at 5:39 pm #26619J LockeParticipantIf people believe in equality, the death of their race won’t matter to them despite any international law.
If the death of their race doesn’t matter to them, Whites won’t be saved because they WON’T do anything to save themselves.
06/26/2012 at 5:57 pm #26626Daniel GensericParticipantRun Rabbit,
Please don’t take this the wrong way. But, I don’t believe that leap you seem to make for one minute. However, it seems like we might be on the verge of a breakthrough here. Do you think you could convince a white person who believes “All animals (including the Human Race) are created equal” that the spotted owl or the Dolphins can “Drop Dead” because “all animals were created Equal.” Is there no reason to cherish and fight for what little left there is of European Americans/Europeans and their culture because we are All Equal? To me, that sounds like someone trying to justify white genocide.
“Save the spotted owl. Save the Dolphins. White children can rot.” WTF?!
anti-racist is a code word for anti-white
06/26/2012 at 6:38 pm #26628Henry DavenportParticipant@John Locke: A reply might be,
Would you propose the elimination of spotted owls:
“Why save the spotted owl, since all owls are equal”?
Would you propose the genocide of Tibetans:
“Why save the Tibetans, since all peoples are equal?”
No, you only propose the genocide of whites.
You say you’re anti-racist. What you are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
06/26/2012 at 8:41 pm #26635JasonParticipantJohn Locke – Interesting point you bring up, but no, I don’t think if all races were equal, Bob, you, me, or the rest of us would stop caring about our genocide. What if you felt other families in your town were more or less equal to yours? Would you mind if the other families were putting policies in place to make sure your family, and only your family, had it’s genetic line ended forever?
06/26/2012 at 8:59 pm #26639Peter WhiterabbitParticipantJohn Locke, we don’t care if people believe in insect-human equality. We use the mantra, dictate our terminology and demand to be allowed to openly discuss our genocide.
06/27/2012 at 12:38 am #26662JasonParticipantDebating is fun! The other side can never win and if they meltdown and go ballistic, that makes us look sane and they look crazy. IMO, One thing to remember in debates – be the guy that is sane, controlled and a bit above the nonsense of the anti-Whites. Be the one people reading the debate want to associate with.
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