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I Don’t “Talk Religion,” Theologians are on MY Turf

Posted by Bob on June 25th, 2007 under History


Presbyterians, Lutherans, United Methodists, they all laughed at the “holy rollers.”

But my father would point out to them that THEY began the same way. John Calvin and John Knox were shouters who brought their audiences into terror and tears. John Wesley yelled for sixty years, and even the hardened Welsh coalminers were rolling and crying.

I seriously doubt that Peter and Paul limited themselves entirely to quiet, sermonic reasoning in their hey-day.

My analysis of religion begins precisely where the theologian’s should end. My analysis of religion or any other ideological institution is pure heresy to most adherents of the Faith, because I know that most of it, be it Christian, libertarian or Communists, is exactly the same. CS Lewis said there was only one required Christian belief, the Resurrection. Thought JRR Tolkien was very upset at Lewis for becoming a Catholic after Tolkien had had so much to do with his conversion from atheism, the fact that the pope require belief in the Immaculate Conception for Salvation in 1870, after saints had argued over it for so long, was enough all by itself to keep Lewis outside the Pope’s jurisdiction.

Theologians qualify for their jobs by knowing all about the Old Testament, the Igubrian language translation of the Vermillion and the Syphilitic Monstrance.

According to Gospel, Jesus knew all that crap when he was twelve years old. Twenty years later, when his mission was serious, he was out reducing things to parables. Yes, he did say ONCE that he did not come to supplant the Law and the Prophets, so the Church put them on the same par with the Final Truth. Had Jesus said anything else, he would have been stoned to death n the spot.

And when his enemy’s asked him about paying Roman taxes he said that the right of Caesar to his property was as important as God’s right to his – if you translate his words the way the churches do on the Testaments.. Same reason: anything else and he would have been stoned on the spot.

So why are professional theologians so nuts about the Old Testament? Because you would have a hard time making a living out of what JESUS said. It is no accident that it was the Old Testament theologians who got him crucified.

All ideologies and all religions are ninety-nine percent the same. That is MY area of expertise, the development of HUMAN institutions, HUMAN politics. Theologians would like to lynch ANYBODY who exposed that fact the way Christ did.

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  1. #1 by Twin Ruler on 06/25/2007 - 6:08 pm

    The only acceptable prejudice is prejudice against White people.

  2. #2 by danerebor on 06/25/2007 - 8:14 pm

    Reminds me about your discussion on how seeking knowledge is different than seeking wisdom.

    Odin had to hang from that tree and get the runes HIMSELF.

  3. #3 by Elizabeth on 06/25/2007 - 8:35 pm

    There’s some great stuff in the Apocrypha (“Deuterocanonical writings”). Lots of it isn’t strictly religious — collections of advice, sayings, poetry, possible novels, histories. All of it either comes directly from or came through the Jewish community in Alexandria. In the beginning of one, the Book of Sirach, there’s an explanation that the author is translating his father’s book of advice into Greek so it could be more widely read.

  4. #4 by lyulf on 06/25/2007 - 11:18 pm

    Here’s an quote from Jesus I’ve always found intriguing.
    Luke Chapter 19 verses 26-27.
    The context is the parable of the “faithful/unfaithful servants..usury,..etc.”
    26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
    27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither, and slaughter them before me.
    Shortly thereafter he was crucified.
    Not too surprising, I think.
    Lyulf 🙁

  5. #5 by shari on 06/26/2007 - 11:07 am

    I understand why the theologians are opposed to being exposed. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. But so many ordinary people act like they would have to be dragged kicking and screaming from their chains. I’m related to such people. Sigh!

  6. #6 by AFKAN on 06/26/2007 - 11:34 am

    The upcoming merger between the Anglican Church and the Roman Catholic Church – politics, anyone? – can be seen in microcosm by Tony Blair’s conversion to Roman Catholicism.

    Ironically, this will be formalized at about the same time he might become a supernegotiator for the Quartet, in an attempt to solve certain MidEast issues.

    Remarkable…

    Ninety-nine percent might be an underestimate.

  7. #7 by mderpelding on 06/26/2007 - 8:35 pm

    Isn’t the First Commandment about “thou shallt have no other Gods before me?”

    That being the case, shouldn’t God be more important than quoting Bible verses?

    Shouldn’t God be more important than power?
    Or wealth?
    Prestige?
    Truth?

    There was a time when we did worship God.

    We built immense airy Cathedrals just to help us understand even marginally the vision of our Creator.

    God was WONDER.

    Now God is just a collection of verses and theological proofs.

    God must conform to our reason for HIS existance.

    The “age of reason” has spoken.

    The Pharisees put reason over magic.

    Supplanted faith with logic.

    We can’t go back a millenium.

    But the current rationalistic paradigm is a disaster.

    The greatest challenge to our survival as a people is evolving.
    NOW.

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