“Do we really have a chance without going public?” (John Locke)
The commenter “John Locke” asked the question above regarding street activism. For some time now I’ve been thinking about this subject so I took his comment as a good opportunity to address it.
One mistake many White activists make is assuming that street activism is necessary for our success. They believe this because they see National Socialist Germany as their model. This is a mistake. The NS of Germany had to spread their message via the street because there was no other way to get a message out when they had no access to the major media sources (newspapers, radio). Today with the internet this isn’t necessary.
Since the beginning of American White Nationalism not one street demonstration/rally has made one bit of difference (in fact, in total they’ve probably had a negative effect). Even the intellectual White Nationalists with their scholarly meetings and 1000 page tomes have had more success at influencing minds compared to the street marchers. The worst elements of White Nationalist Times Past have been the street marchers. When discussing street marchers, some White Nationalists will say “at least they have balls.” It’s important to understand that it’s easy to “have balls” when you have nothing to lose or when you’re paid by the anti-Whites.
Of course, although it’s not really necessary to have street marches, it doesn’t mean it can’t be done. If people wanted to wear BUGS t-shirts with the Mantra printed on the back and clean up a public park or beach, this would be good activism. If someone wanted to hand out mantra flyers while wearing a White Rabbit costume, this too would be good. If someone wanted to walk across America (and say the mantra in the town center of all the towns they pass through) to raise awareness of White genocide (while wearing a BUGS or Follow the White Rabbit t-shirt), this could be an option as well.
The most important aspect to consider with public activism (or any dissemination of a message) is the presentation. Political theater is art. This is where one needs to take an honest look at oneself and determine if one is truly appropriate for representing the pro-White movement. If one is a poor public speaker, or prone to anger and excitability, or is just plain ugly, they should be wise enough to know that they’ll only hurt the cause they claim to advocate for. When it comes to people like this, they should accept that they’re not cut out for this role and find another way to help the cause (spreading the mantra at the SWARM, creating art, website support, financial support, writing articles).
So to answer John Locke’s question regarding street rallies and “going public,” the answer is “NO,” we don’t need to do this to “have a chance.” We just need to disseminate our message in the most attractive and creative way possible. If someone wants to try to disseminate the message using political theater on the street, then go for it. But it has to be done in an attractive and creative way.
With that said, if I were the anti-Whites and I was worried (which they are…trust me) about the message at BUGS spreading out of control, I would create a street activist entity for the purpose of polluting the message. I would populate this entity with buffoons, scumbags, and weirdos and have them go public to push the BUGS message while acting like circus monkeys.
I would then give them media attention so that they become the face of the BUGS message. I would use the SPLC to report on this entity of circus monkeys to frame them as the face of the pro-White consistent message. I would do all I could to try to associate the BUGS message with this unit of circus monkeys.
This is what I’m looking for. The enemy knows it can’t handle our message. So the best thing they can do is try to pollute it and associate it with the buffoons, scumbags, and weirdos of White Nationalist Times Past. Look for the sudden appearance of a street activism entity that starts getting a lot of media exposure.
The anti-Whites have been doing all they can to ignore BUGS, Follow the White Rabbit, and the Mantra. BUGS and Follow the White Rabbit appear nowhere on the SPLC’s or ADL’s website and this is out of fear of advertising our message for us. Of course, they’ll feature big reports on “radical right” entities with 6 people, but won’t dare say a word about BUGS or FTWR.
But they know that they have to DO SOMETHING to try to stop the spread of our message! So the anti-Whites will create this street activism entity (which may also have an internet radio show, YouTube channel, or blog) to pollute our message and associate it with the buffoons, scumbags, and weirdos of White Nationalist Times Past. Remember that the anti-Whites can’t handle a practiced BUGS Adept (they’ll never invite Bob, or the White Rabbit, or Lord Nelson, or Beefcake on a radio show or TV interview). All they can do is use dirty tricks (1). So they’ll create their own BUGSter circus monkey unit that they can handle and present it as the face of our message.
#1 by Jason on 07/17/2012 - 8:18 am
Thank you for this important article. The threat outlined at the end WILL happen at some point. We need to develop a checklist of things that look suspicious and then be ready to alert BUGsters and other pro-Whites to it. We should disassociate ourselves from it immediately. Although it may be impossible to completely eliminate the damage done by such a ruse, by keeping actual pro-Whites from being suckered by it, we minimize the damage. Anyone who seems oddly strident, hateful, goofy or crazy in their presentation should be suspect in my opinion.
If you want to be a public leader, the first rule is PRESENT YOURSELF WELL! How could anyone who aspires to be a public leader, not look good, sound good and have good political instincts? If someone is zero in all departments, but INSISTS on speaking in our name, be suspicious.
I’m not interested in displays of “balls”. For people who want to brag, this whole project is just a vehicle to show off their macho. They want to “strike fear” in people and get a thrill from it. They are using it as a kind of gang activity to look scary and mean. William Pierce (not a big fan myself) has a video in which he laments all the losers his movement attracted, guys giving roman salutes and shouting, “1488!” We don’t want that.
I saw a sad example of this on a clip from the horrible Bill Maher show. They had a guy who called himself a “Nazi” who was on the streets during the Travon hoopla. In one horrible scene, they showed him in front of his mobile home, with his two very young little girls, giving roman salutes and shouting “Heil Hitler”, over and over. Nazi flags were in the background. Controlled opposition or misfit? I have no idea, but the inclusion of two small girls gave me the sickening feeling it was real. That is wrong on so many levels, and it’s not even pro-White, it’s pro-Hitler Mystique (yes there is a big difference). By the way, I would encourage Hitler fans to THINK BIGGER! We are talking about a worldwide awakening of Whites.
Apparently, in the long, sad, self-destructive history of “White Nationalism”, there has been a tendency for “those who’ve gone public” to lord it over everyone else. I saw some of this over at TOO. The street guys want lots of praise and presume to be the “bosses” (the Royal Prince as Bob named one). Again, this has nothing to do with promoting White interests; it is merely for their own ego, or to promote something they hope to sell.
I would say 99% of us do our best working anonymously. What good is it to create a target for the enemy to attack? If someone posts the Mantra a thousand times a year, that does more good than most of us can do speaking at a park. Beyond that, all the street theater stuff is from an age where that was a main mode of communication. It’s not today. Who stops to listen to a political speech from some joker in the street? I have NEVER in my whole life. This is the age of the internet. People don’t even TALK to each other anymore, they TEXT!
Sorry for the long rant, I didn’t have time to edit!
#2 by Gavin on 07/18/2012 - 4:48 pm
I saw a sad example of this on a clip from the horrible Bill Maher show. They had a guy who called himself a “Nazi” who was on the streets during the Travon hoopla. In one horrible scene, they showed him in front of his mobile home, with his two very young little girls, giving roman salutes and shouting “Heil Hitler”, over and over. Nazi flags were in the background. Controlled opposition or misfit?
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If you had a television show who would you put up as the face of the anti-White position? Would you put a smart well dressed guy like Tim Wise or Bill Maher…or would you put some dumb ugly anti-White screaming about how evil White people are and they should all be killed etc….
Obviously the anti-Whites are going to find the weirdest, most looney characters to present as the “face of the pro-White movement” instead of someone like Bob, Horus, Beefcake or James Edwards. That’s just basic politics.
#3 by elcyCesreveR on 07/17/2012 - 8:19 am
Before going public i think the masses have to be familiar with the mantra.
I personally believe that many people who would be welcome to our message, are older people that don’t use the internet or don’t want to use the internet. So maybe coming up with a street campaign to reach this demographic would be a good idea.
As for everyone else, youtube… youtube… youtube…. billions of views every single day. You just gotta post the mantra on viral videos… even if they aren’t relevant…. it’s all for a good cause anyway
#4 by six gun on 07/17/2012 - 8:32 am
But try to key the Mantra in somehow.
Keep changing the content of the posts.
Have several accounts.
Keep your head down about where you post.
YT is the place.
What encourages me is there are many more pro-White, Mantra orientated videos appearing all the time.
#5 by Gavin on 07/17/2012 - 2:32 pm
“Before going public i think the masses have to be familiar with the mantra.”
Revolution happens when someone says what everyone already knows.
#6 by six gun on 07/17/2012 - 8:26 am
The English Defence League had a recent march. There are lots of videos on YT. The opposition turned up, as usual, screaming all the things they do, as usual. There were loads of police, police dogs, barriers and so on, as usual.
I do not believe it really helps the EDL. There are arrests, mainly of the leftist deviants but the EDL is seen as an organisation of conflict and trouble.
On this basis Social Services had planned to take the child of an EDL supporter away when it was born.
You think you are in a free country and then you open your eyes.
I talk to quite a few people on YT. I asked one chap a reformed leftist who runs his own pro-White blog to write a piece for the site.
I have sent in using the message system to Bob using the site messaging system. Could I have a received message to confirm this is working.
#7 by Jason on 07/17/2012 - 8:55 am
You are Subscriber status and so am I. I think higher levels have the ability to add New Articles through the black margin at the top of the page, through the Post function. If you don’t see such a function, that confirms that people at our level don’t have it and have to send them via site-admin.
I think every article that has been approved is “Contributor” level or above, which probably means they can use the New Article function. They asked a while back if anyone wanted to contribute and be given “more access” or something like that. Many of us said, Yes. If I was refused for some reason, I’d just like to know what it was! 🙂
#8 by patrickwhiterabbit on 07/17/2012 - 10:11 am
Interesting article-you might be hinting at something that has been bugging me (pun intended!) also. I am going to go out on a limb and say John King (savewhitepeople) should stop having anything to do with our message. The way he has acted, the terrible signs and how he has dressed (good god with the shorts, socks and shoes) in his street activism is not good for the mantra. The videos have also been incredibly bad quality and they were the first pro Mantra videos i did not let any of my fence sitting friends see-in fact i hoped they didn’t see them at all. Sorry to offend anyone but i am going to be honest and say they are suspiciously bad!
This is just my opinion and i might be wrong but as soon as i saw him and the videos something didn’t sit right for me.
PS-Jason, funny you should mention Pierce. I have been going through a large collection of all his audio broadcasts (they are over at archive.com) and he does use the word anti-White a lot and also talks about our genocide. Thing with Pierce is he never made it into a consistent message.
#9 by Jason on 07/17/2012 - 8:04 pm
Something is very WRONG about his approach. I just listened to some of his radio broadcasts. In episode 59, he explodes into a rant about 42 minutes in. He says the “Day of the Rope” is coming! He says he has the names and numbers of the people behind the Unfair campaign written down in his “little black book”. It sounded dangerous and frightening – as if it were intended scare people off (I mean scare off normal reachable Whites).
He then says his potato peeler works on skin as well as potatoes, since they are so ashamed of their skin color, because bullets are too fast and merciful for them. He said these people like to say “we all bleed red”, and we’ll have to put their hypothesis to the test. Go listen to the podcast yourself, it is the worst kind of attention the Mantra could get.
I’m calling BS. He is using the Mantra and mixing it all up with this awful approach. He has posted on this site, using the name “God” and offering to give us “guidance” since our Mantra can’t take us very far, in his opinion. There is something very wrong about this.
#10 by Jason on 07/17/2012 - 9:58 pm
Actually, it is episode 58, not 59, where the talk of bullets, blood and peeling skin off people kicks in, about 43 min in.
#11 by Gavin on 07/17/2012 - 11:08 pm
People who have been subjected to extreme psychological torture (like pro-Whites have been for the past decades) are going to respond in all sorts of weird ways.
Of course the first wave of pro-White activists is going to have a lot of desperate, angry, “on the edge” type people. That’s normal for any group that has been under strict suppression for multiple decades.
Of course I can understand their anger and know the pain that drove them to it…but if they start venting with their irrelevant little hollywood revenge scenarios, it’s not doing anyone any good.
#12 by Jason on 07/17/2012 - 11:52 pm
I understand, I have been subjected to the exact same thing and feel the anger too. I don’t blame someone for acting out and venting in private, but a grown man should know more about how to act in public, don’t you think?
Is this the first wave of pro-Whites? Wasn’t Rockwell doing this schtick 50 years ago? Weren’t skinheads doing this on Geraldo 30 years ago? Just be careful, everyone in the pro-White world tends to assume these are good guys, and make excuses for them … then years later we find out it was all an act – or a way to make money.
It just seems to me that anyone who has honestly taken the time to read and understand the Mantra, would not make such a mistake. As I have said before, even Adolf Hitler never sounded this bad in public OR in private. Think on that.
#13 by patrickwhiterabbit on 07/18/2012 - 4:25 am
Jason-When i listen to him its as if i am hearing a white nationalist cartoon………what part of the nazithatwantstokillsixmillionjews bit did he miss from the mantra?
PS-Does anyone find that the reCAPTCHAs on here sometimes resemble the VERY difficult tests in an online IQ test-impossible to read sometimes! Why is that? Posting with TOR?
#14 by Dick_Whitman on 07/19/2012 - 7:22 pm
I took a look at that “Guardians of Diversity” site. Thank you Jason and Patrick for pointing it out.
If you read their About Page it sounds very rational and decent. But once you start listening to their shows you start hearing the crazy stuff mixed in.
So it appears the idea is to mix rational ideas and decency with outright crazy talk.
David Duke has pointed out that real diversity also includes White people. Dr. Duke even uses the title “For Human Freedom and Diversity ” on his website and on his show. Dr. Duke meets with all kinds of people across the world and respects other peoples.
Dr. Duke realizes that there’s no reason to make enemies out of people who are just as fed up with the same people that we’re fed up with (anti-White globalist types). This is dangerous to the anti-Whites, They would much rather have us seeing all non-Whites as our enemies.
So the strategy over at “GoD” is to mix Dr. Duke’s approach and the BUGS message with outright crazy talk.
Why?
Because then the anti-Whites can use them as an example and say “see, all that tolerance, and respect for diversity, and the appearance of normalcy is just an act, these guys are just using words like “diversity” to clean up their image, they’re really just naziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews.”
The “GoD” front-man looks and sounds like he’s acting? I listened to the July 4th show and it sounds like they’re reading from a script? So someone at anti-White central has been studying our verbiage, and Dr. Duke’s verbiage and wrote a script for their “actors” to read.
You’ll also notice that they talk about Homosexuals constantly. What I would do if I were the anti-Whites is have my actors talk about gays constantly and then after time, release some sort of evidence that these actors were gay themselves.
All you have to do is hire some gays to play the part. Get them ranting about “sodomites” and then after some time, release some video tape of the actors making out while dressed like those gays(Joe Pessi, Tommy Lee Jones, and Kevin Bacon) in Oliver Stone’s movie JFK. Dress them up in togas and have Nazi exercise films on in the background while they whip each other with whips.
Afterwards the anti-Whites can have a big media special on how pro-Whites are really all a bunch of closet S&M practitioners whowanttokillsixmillionjews.
So just as I wrote above, if the people at “Guardians of Diversity” start receiving lots of media attention, and the anti-Whites start making them the face of our message, it’s probably an act.
They used to be the site “Save White People” but someone must have rethought the strategy? They were going to have an alternative research podcast similar to FTWR and even claimed that the “CIA may assassinate them” due to the information they had. They took that down after they changed the site from SWP to GoD.
Of course, I have no inside information and I’m not psychic, so it is possible that they’re just taking a bad approach? If that’s the case then I would hope that they would find some other way to contribute. I doubt they will though.
Anyway, I want to thank “Jason Locke” for asking the initial question that motivated me to write the initial article.
#15 by six gun on 07/19/2012 - 7:52 pm
As I remember at the time prothink.org got pulled by GoDaddy following a complaint made by presumably the usual party, I happened to access Save White People only to find it was also down.
I presumed they had also been pulled on similar spurious grounds.
Then the Guardians site appeared.
Whether it was a coincidence or not I really don’t know.
The big guy fronting the videos did not present the most acceptable face of pro-White activists. I watched the video of his demonstrating against a gay parade.
I don’t wish to comment myself on this other than to say advocating against White genocide is moral high ground. Posting a video of a protest against a gay parade is brawling in the gutter. It does not help our cause one little bit.
#16 by Jason on 07/19/2012 - 8:37 pm
Thanks for confirming that. I don’t want to start Witch Hunts, but I do think people who offer themselves as leaders, who use Mantra concepts, and say they represent the pro-White community in public, should expect some scrutiny when things seem really odd.
The media has been covering him:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/20/save-white-people-footage-at-gay-pride-parade_n_1613815.html
#17 by six gun on 07/19/2012 - 9:04 pm
It is quite easy to go into a paranoid melt down.
One might consider that John King is paid opposition. I’ve heard several called paid opposition – it’s the Right’s form of racist slur.
I see the thread Jason. The anti-Whites are lapping it up. The media has a photo of SAVE WHITE PEOPLE with his loud mouth open yelling something against the gay paraders.
One might say it is part of the depravity brought upon White society but you will certainly end up tailgating off the edge of a cliff.
Gay rights is the least of our concerns. Feminism is a hundred fold more sinister.
Why this guy is dragging our cause down with this can only be explained in one of three ways.
1 A form of insanity
2 Paid opposition
3 Stormfront mentality.
None of which helps us. It is well worth denouncing him b/c he harms us immeasurably.
#18 by John Locke on 07/19/2012 - 10:39 pm
The host has toned down his terminology a lot since I first listened. If you think he is still too coarse and abrasive, it is because he is young and relatively new to White Nationalism.
I don’t think the host is part of the opposition. Even Dr. Duke has said abrasive things lately. On May 23 on Twitter Dr. Duke tweeted “I never use pepper a.k.a. nigger salt.”
The host has qualities that can manifest success for WN. He is good at networking, generating publicity, mobilizing people, and has charisma. Most of all, he is willing to work hard to save White people.
He said the reason he protested homosexuality was to generate publicity. It worked since even T.V. covered it.
There is really not much discussion on the radio show that BUGSters would find objectionable. Thirty minutes into episode 61 and I haven’t heard anything objectionable.
He doesn’t think that posting on the internet will save White people. Maybe nothing can, but we try.
We can and should email constructive criticism, especially about why posting on the internet can save White people, if it can. joe@savewhitepeople.com
#19 by Jason on 07/19/2012 - 11:20 pm
The gentleman talking on the show you are listening to, in episode 61,is not John King – I think that is a co-host, someone named Joe. I don’t think King is even on that episode. King can be heard, for example, in episode 58 about 42 min into it. He goes into his discussion of the coming Day of the Rope. Mr. King is the gentleman in question and I believe he said he is in his 40s.
#20 by Dick_Whitman on 07/20/2012 - 2:27 am
Can you provide a link to that Duke tweet. It doesn’t sound like something he would write or say.
#21 by Jason on 07/20/2012 - 2:46 am
I found what appears to be his twitter account, but is probably fake. Scroll down to May 22nd you’ll see it. Many posts seem suspicious.
https://twitter.com/david_duke
#22 by Dick_Whitman on 07/20/2012 - 2:54 am
I just Googled the Duke Twitter. I GUARANTEE that isn’t an account set up by the real Dr. Duke. It isn’t his style of writing. Someone should inform Dr. Duke that someone set up a twitter account in his name. There’s no way that’s the real Dr. Duke. I can write this in 100% confidence. If Duke learns of this twitter account he will set the records straight.
Like I’ve been saying right along, the anti-Whites can’t handle our message honestly, so they have to use dirty tricks.
Nice try though.
Here’s the fake Duke twitter account
http://twitter.com/david_duke
#23 by Dick_Whitman on 07/20/2012 - 2:56 am
Good catch as well Jason. It’s a fake but someone should inform Dr Duke so he can put out a statement.
Anti-racism is a code word for anti-White.
Oh, and thank you “John Locke” again for pointing this out.
#24 by six gun on 07/17/2012 - 11:06 am
Bob – reading this has caused me to do some research. I have put together an interesting and important article. I have messaged it to Bob.
I think BUGS need to know what I discovered.
#25 by Jason on 07/17/2012 - 7:23 pm
If it’s important, you better be prepared to post it as a reply here on an existing thread or we’ll never hear it.
#26 by BGLass on 07/17/2012 - 11:33 am
Idk—
Pierce was DEAD before Bob started getting people to use “anti-white.” Were he alive now, he’d probably be using it.
That’s sort of like ‘temporal provincialism,” I think.
Regarding street theater, idk, it’s just ONE TACTIC among many tactics. Very useful, depending on how it’s used, when used, for whom, etc.
Today— street theatre is staged in order TO BE FILMED. That’s where the theatre is broadcasts and anyone can do it. That’s the main change in street theatre—- you film it yourself, instead of are trying to attract msm, who used to be the only ones with the cameras.
Now anyone can set up a scene. You come up with your idea, knowing it will be filmed, including setting up booths to give literature or whatever, having an argument, etc.
In some ways, street nazis were fun for their time. I never took it like anything other than staged. GLR was an advertising man from Madison Avenue, lol. And it was funny , the very day after the war, practically, to make an announcement that the ‘other side of history’ was not going away.
It’s silly to demean tactics or players from another time, especially people who did a lot and are DEAD. Their tactics were tried, maybe they worked then, maybe they will work again in the future, now we are not using them so much. And that’s all, really.
there’s no right or wrong, just what you think works for a given time, a given place, a given audience, a given actor.
Some people have natural talents or whatever that also have something to do with what they do, and when/ how they do it.
There’s no set rule.
#27 by Jason on 07/17/2012 - 5:29 pm
I can’t think of one single street activist who worked out well for the pro-White side. I’m not saying it can’t work, but I have never seen it, reviewing back 50 years. Rockwell did damage. I can’t even say the street guys were neutral they were worse than zero in ever case I can think of. White people cringe at those images and we have to spend time overcoming the negative stereotype they created even to this day in debate. Now, David Duke didn’t do any harm, but he was a very well spoken and professional politician. He went public, obviously, but didn’t do much of the crazy street antics type stuff.
#28 by six gun on 07/17/2012 - 9:13 pm
Golden Dawn probably did good.
There are probably examples in Eastern Europe
#29 by Dave on 07/17/2012 - 1:01 pm
It is just plain dumb to tailgate after nonwhites for the right to protest.
The work the Establishment is doing to suppress protest is our enemy digging our foxholes for us.
#30 by Simmons on 07/17/2012 - 1:26 pm
Dave there is so much power floating around out there it raises the hair on my head, and the est. is helping raise its voltage.
The more the est. abuses whites with the word “racist” the more the power builds up.
Of course our professional hobby horse riders ride about in their own little circles, but one day one man will utter something like this, “They will never abuse you with that word ever again.”
My comment is in mod but it relates to the above
http://takimag.com/article/is_mitt_serious_about_condi_patrick_buchanan/page_2#axzz20np87gw5
#31 by cecilhenry on 07/17/2012 - 1:45 pm
Here is a shocking article in today’s news that highlights a key point about (as Bob says) subtext.
No problem with no caucasians allowed at Ontario correctional services conference: Ruling
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/16/no-problem-with-no-caucasians-allowed-at-ontario-correctional-services-conference-ruling
I want to point out one clause in the paragraph that appears in many articles and highlights a recurring theme.
“The officers, some of whom have non-white spouses….”
Why is this comment about spouses relevant and in the article??
The subtext of articles and these implicit attitudes are important to understand and point out.
The reasoning and the implication is that whites do NOT have legitimate racial interests and the right to value and protect their existence as is.
After all, if ALL the officers had white spouses and even STATED that is was important to them– would that be construed as racism??
It isn’t— its their right to freedom and value their identity.
And opposing that explicitly would be GENOCIDE. Doing it Implicitly, as done here, is the SAME– tacitly endorsing Genocide.
POINT this out when you see it, as this is not unique.
I see this little ‘subclause’ very frequently–almost as an apology to mentioning white racial interests.
#32 by six gun on 07/17/2012 - 7:30 pm
I have been contacted by a couple of other people in the UK.
They are not in BUGS. One chap has made a number of Mantra videos and I had dealt with him for some time on youtube. I’ve seen him operating with us. The other chap is on SF.
They are looking to do a focused Mantra project in part of the UK. Clearly anyone could take part with the internet side. At the moment that is all that is planned. We are at a very very early stage.
I would have made this a thread on its own but I can’t make threads any more.
I am not aware if anyone has done a geographically focussed project before.
This could well be a way to take the Mantra much wider as I suspect people will be more motivated to apply the message in their own country/area.
I anyone is interested you can message me here if you can work out how to use the messenger system or contact me on SF – I’m the same username.
#33 by Bob on 07/18/2012 - 3:14 pm
I can’t believe someone wants me to explain why William Pierce did not use “anti-Semitic” with anti-white.