The Occidental Observer had an article where the Mantra was approach was praised, which is presented and discussed at
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/03/on-the-path-to-practical-politics/?show=comments
But what is important here is that, in this discussion, the anti-Mantra crowd has finally come out from under cover. They have previously been using the same strategy that the anti-white establishment uses, simply putting everything about the Mantra into the Memory Hole and acting like it doesn’t exist.
I hope that the example set by TOO in talking about the Mantra strategy openly will be followed by others.
There was the usual guy who has apparently appointed himself Royal Prosecutor who put in thousands of words attacking me and the Mantra. He reminds me of the old kooks you find at small meetings who preside, not because they have been elected by anybody, but they simply have this idea they are the chairman.
He said I am just like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. I don’t think he requires any courtesy after a personal insult like that. If he knew anything about us, he would know that calling me a respectable conservative is a really vicious slur.
Nobody who criticizes us at TOO shows any sign of having READ anything of ours. I have repeatedly observed that Hannity said David Duke was a Nazi because he opposes interracial marriage. But you would have to have READ our stuff to know that, and personal insults are just so much easier for the Royal Prosecutor.
But let us trace the discussion. Let’s begin at the end. As the discussion wore down, the pro-white anti-Mantra crowd agreed that, gee, the major problem is that we are silenced by charges of racism and Holocaust stuff.
In other words, they finally doddered towards reality which is where the Mantra Strategy BEGINS.
It is an attempt to get us out of this position of being suppressed that the old stuff, the stuff the anti-Mantra crowd is defending, got us into. They declare the glory of a “leadership” that has spend generations getting us into this position where they can’t say anything for fear of “racism” and the Holocaust
The Mantra puts the genocide charge on anti-whites where it belongs. It uses their suppression against them.
We must get rid of this open oppression, we must get free speech before anyone has the right to answer us at all.
So the anti-Mantra group ended up where it always ends up: sniveling about how suppressed we are, and how hopeless it all is.
#1 by Simmons on 03/27/2012 - 10:11 am
Our guys did a very good job selling the Mantra.
I might have tried prosecuting the prosecutors with the “rule of three”, but I’m shameless and I should have been a lawyer.
I would have asked the prosecutors to defend the validity of “anti-racism” and tell us in their own words why they take “anti-racism” at face value.
#2 by Roderick on 03/27/2012 - 11:37 am
A while ago I was using the mantra on some friends and the agreed with it but…ofcourse there’s a “but,” their position on things like affirmative action was basically the position of respectable conservatives. I remember listening to them thinking “They aren’t listening to anything I am saying, they just heard certian words and from that, certian phrases and positions they are supposed to say came out.”
To me it seems like this anti-mantra crowd is not at all different from respectable conservatives. The only difference is that they are racial. They are in the mindset of the “respectable racists.”
They may agree with our end result but they are useless and actually help the anti-whites.
#3 by herrMajor on 03/27/2012 - 5:47 pm
It’s called cognitive dissonance. Those ‘people’ watch so much TV they can no longer know how to listen and understand what information is spoken to them and how to analyze it. I encounter it ALOT, when you speak to someone about the mantra try two tricks I’ve found to help.
1) Make sure they are angry at the fixing of the “Race Problem”, if they are not it will go in one ear, and out of the other. Or you’ll be like me and get the “Cud-Chewing-Stare”.
2) MAKE THEM PAY ATTENTION. If you use the mantra in slow-mo the way I used to on people on the street, you’ll find people won’t care and will walk away.
Try using some argument that is personal, but in the 2nd person or 3rd person, talking about how the world is destroying american/european culture, don’t name names, but talk about everything BUT RACE. Let them come to the obvious conclusion that there is a program of genocide against our race, by using all the mantra points.
#4 by Epiphany on 03/27/2012 - 5:54 pm
We need to discover how we can speak out against those who would bully us into accepting Third World immigration. The vile doublestandard about Soviet sins is one of the key points of our entire argument. Twin Ruler spoke of it for a long time!
#5 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/27/2012 - 12:20 pm
I posted heavily on that OO thread, and I didn’t make nearly enough of my posts Mantra posts. (I’m not making the same mistake on the current OO thread about the Hispanic shooting the black guy.) That was a terrible oversight on my part, since that’s an article that may be referred to, and when readers link to it it would be desirable for them to see the Mantra in action. I’m super irritated at myself, and I apologize to you, Bob, and to the rest of you!
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My apologies to anyone here who may be an Aspergers person…I’ve known an Asperger person rather well and I understand that many Aspies learn to function very well indeed and bring their intelligent, unusual and valuable insights to situations in very helpful ways (the book I recommend below is an excellent example of that).
I’m convinced that some of the resistance we get on these pro-White sites are from Aspies, since the style and content of the objections are often typical Aspie stuff IMO.
Aspies lack the ability to sense what other humans are feeling…they have to be taught that a frown indicates an unhappy feeling of some sort, and that a smile indicates a happy feeling of some sort. In the absence of the human cues the rest of us operate on, their approach to every situation tends to be super-logico in a way that strikes a normal person as odd and inappropriate. The internet, with its absence of the face-to-face interaction that baffles and overwhelms Aspies, is a natural refuge for them.
I bring this up because arguing with an Aspie about anything that has to do with human beings (and what doesn’t, except math and hard science?) is the most futile thing I’ve ever done in my life. They really have no idea what you are talking about. And they tend to be very set in their own opinions.
To understand the Mantra approach requires some sense of what humans are and how they react. I’m not saying that Aspies can’t understand the Mantra…we may have some Aspies among us for all I know who understand it very well…but it seems to me that it would be very difficult for an Aspie to understand how and why the Mantra works. And I can’t imagine that any Aspie mind would itself respond to the Mantra…if humans were all Aspies, the Mantra would likely be useless!
My two cents. I wanted to say all this the day we were posting at wrongplanet, an Aspie site.
(If anyone wants to read an absolutely fascinating book written by an Aspie, read “Songs of the Gorilla Nation”)
#6 by Epiphany on 03/27/2012 - 4:56 pm
Multiculturalism trumpts Feminism. I understand that much! Only Whites, no matter how chivalrous and gallant they really are, can be termed Male Chauvinist. Islamists, its seems, have become immune from Feminist critique.
#7 by Epiphany on 03/27/2012 - 5:07 pm
Have faith,
Have faith, Humpty Dumpty!
The Aspies, with their logical minds, can readily perceive the contradictions within the “Liberal” mindset. For instance, Multiculturalism and Feminism do not mix! Of course, Multiculturalism will always trumpt Feminism. I have always hated Multiculturalism, since it is more about hatred of Whites as Whites, rather than love of Third World peoples.
And Liberals believe all people are basically good (with the exception of White Southerners and Germans). Hence, no matter how much one tells them about Soviet and Red Chinese attrocities, which were eerily like Nazi attrocities, the Liberal mind cannot help but assume that the Russians, the Chinese, even the Arabs, (but not the Germans and White Southerners) are basically good. This irritates me no end!
If they condemn Nazi attrocities, then by the same logic they should also condemn Communist ones– something which they never do. Why not? I always wonder.
And no, we do not wish the White Race to be bred out of existence! Have faith, Humpty Dumpty, that is all I can say.
Perhaps, the Aspies shall be our salvation!
#8 by Epiphany on 03/27/2012 - 5:10 pm
Aha, they only want WHITE men to feel bad about being men. The hypocritical feminists do not care about how non White men mistreat their womenfolk. The One Child Policy, with its forced ABORTIONs, is a form of cruelty that the Feminists are curiously silent about. I wonder why?
#9 by Cheshire Cat on 03/27/2012 - 11:40 pm
!! The masses have arrived at the Revolutionaries’ front door. And they are knocking. Is anyone home?
Now, the Intellectual Elite MUST talk about White genocide. They have no choice. BUGSters have left them no choice.
K-Mac has balls. Thank heavens!
edit: the funniest comment was a pro-white complaining about the Mantra being posted ‘too much’ at OO, as being “annoying,” the very REPETITION that is required for the Mantra to take root, which it already has. LoL
#10 by Cheshire Cat on 03/27/2012 - 11:51 pm
“He said I am just like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. I don’t think he requires any courtesy after a personal insult like that. If he knew anything about us, he would know that calling me a respectable conservative is a really vicious slur.”
I caught that one too, Bob. The Cheshire Cat corrected Harding Scot with a swift poke to the chest. [poof]….. and I’m gone.
Somebody once said, “Forgive them for they know not what they do.” Something tells me you have already forgiven him for the jab, if you could call it that.
#11 by Cheshire Cat on 03/28/2012 - 12:19 am
Juxtapose Amren’s Mantra stance with that of TOO’s. Wow.
The hallmark of a TRUE intellectual is the ability to push his personal pride aside in pursuit of real solutions that actually WORK. K-Mac and Co. are a group who I will continue to read.
I wonder what it feels like to ride the pine. Splinters much?
#12 by Jason Here on 03/28/2012 - 2:58 am
Your work is much appreciated and gaining support fast. Please keep developing new ideas!
#13 by BGLass on 03/28/2012 - 8:07 am
HD said… “Aspies lack the ability to sense what other humans are feeling…they have to be taught that a frown indicates an unhappy feeling of some sort, and that a smile indicates a happy feeling of some sort. In the absence of the human cues the rest of us operate on…”
Off topic, sorry, but another take: is that the flood of Aspergers diagnoses stemming from changes in the DSM is an attempt to pathologize the inevitable perversion of the human subject CREATED under the anti-white System, so as to bring even more people under the control of the Medicalist-Industrialist Tyranny (“Obamacare”)
This is not to say that “Aspergers” could not be “Real” under all Systems— in other words, that there is a “Disconnect” such as you describe, that transcends Systems and is a real phenomenon, so that just changing the socialization of the subject would not correct.
As is: the communist-fascist hybrid anti-white System— PRODUCES people (necessarily) who have this sort of “disconnect.” The Wordist Society splits their responses between Words and real emotional structure, which may be in conflict. This (the INEVITABLE way people become under such a system) is then pathologized and codified under a rulebook (like DSM) and brought under the Medicalist wing of control. The whole setting up of “the new discipline” of psychiatry (anthropology, the “new social science”) —happening for a century— sets up the Medicalist control grid.
Under the Anti-white system, what a person WOULD NATURALLY feel is constantly subverted in many, many ways.
For instance: fear. It is pathological, so the System says, to feel fear when approached by non-white youths in hoodies. This ingrained idea (against one’s “real” response) over many years causes a total, knee-jerk disconnect.
This happens pervasively, with all the feelings. Theft is good; shame is eventually nonexistent. All are “People of the Lie” (Scott Peck’s book is good)— and so Smiles MEAN NOTHING.
John Wayne Gacy was MAN OF THE YEAR in his town—- and most of the townspeople were of such LOW character that the signs were not picked up on by them.
Yes, people with deeply skewed emotional and moral hardware can be —as you say— VERY GOOD at covering it, but the garden variety superficial person (which is the same thing in depth) is fairly easy to catch out.
When someone says at the crime scene, “He was such a nice man” it’s a true commentary on their own character structure, as they were right next to the person and so NON-DISCERNING themselves that they noticed nothing.
The study in psychiatry of “splitting” versus “repression” in describing how memories are stored— are key to learning to CREATE cognitive dissonance (things that can be pathologized for the health racket) and to manipulate that sort of human subject, once it is created psychiatrically.
Splitting involves the discrete storage of PARTS of memory, when a thing is forgotten, so that –say– the smell of the moment is stored separately from the sound, etc.
This leads to the movies about Hitler— “fascism” must be remembered as a racial movement, SO THAT Corporate-Militarism is never questioned, for instance. And that movie must be played every day, in order to train the gaze away from the economic systems of militarism-corporatism-medicalism, so the people cannot respond in their own interest.
sorry–I know this is wrong when that time could have been spent elsewhere posting the mantra— but it’s a fascinating area, which is also no excuse
#14 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/28/2012 - 9:49 am
When engaged online with some pro-White who is finding a zillion odd reasons “the Mantra won’t work,” it’s tempting to think that if you just persist they may suddenly see the light.
But when there’s a certain oddness and preoccupied persistence in the pro-White’s objections that reminds me of my small experience in the Aspie world, I’m able to give up the struggle comfortably, because I sense (rightly or wrongly) that they really have no idea what I’m talking about. They are able to see the Mantra only as a logical construction (and not also as a psychological tool), and even that just in their own special way.
That point is my excuse for having written my post above. I was hoping to lower the frustration level (especially my own) that’s felt with certain resistant pro-Whites.
Of course I’m not trying to say that most pro-Whites who resist us are Aspies. But it’s my hunch that some of the most aggravating ones are. Aggravating because they become single-mindedly persistent but are unreachable, and we don’t understand that they are unreachable.
#15 by Soldier_Ant on 03/28/2012 - 11:24 pm
Harumphty, I have no experience with anyone with Asperger’s that I know of.
When you look at a thread like this what do you see and do you see any hints to suggest any Asperger type rigidity of thought? Like I said, I have very little understanding of Aspergers, but this one in particular, Verschlagenheit, seems to not be able to grasp the plot altogether. I look at a response like that and immediately think to myself. This person doesn’t get it.
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t875945/
This topic interests me very much. Do you have any tips when swarming or especially dealing with pro-Whites who you suspect are incapable of getting the plot like this, to present them with Mantra thought in a manner that can begin to break that communication barrier? I’m not picking on this person per say, just trying to understand the concepts you have expressed about Aspergers as it may relate to communication barriers. – The Ant Soldier
#16 by Harumphty Dumpty on 03/28/2012 - 11:51 pm
SA, the best suggestion I can give is my post at 3/28/2012 – 8:23 pm
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/2012/03/28/yes-they-really-are-that-way/#comments
If you sense a person can’t get it, give up and just use odd things they say to make your own points for readers.
In fact, that’s probably the best thing to do right from the beginning!
#17 by Epiphany on 03/28/2012 - 8:03 pm
The more I think of it, the more clear it becomes to me that Aspergers is Trauma induced– that is, caused by the environment. Even if it were innate, it certainly is excacerbated by cruelties.
As far as I am concerned, neither Aspergers nor Homosexuality are something that a person is born with. These pathologies are acquired via certain types of cruelties received in school, not only by fellow students but also by the teachers themselves. Cognitive dissonance might be to blame for it too.
I suspect that if Gifted Students are compelled to go to school with cruel and rougher students, the might acquire it.
#18 by shari on 03/28/2012 - 8:56 am
Very interesting BGlass. I’ve felt as if I were struggling out of something very thick, most of my life. Finally getting some ideas about that. And I know this isn’t mantra either, but thanks.
#19 by Epiphany on 03/28/2012 - 8:10 pm
Aspergers may indeed be the result of not attaining a sense of belonging to the Culture wherein one was born. It might also be comorbid with introversion. Though accused of being Emotionless, or having no feelings for others at any rate, the Aspie has a gift for Logic— sensing the Doublestandards and logical contradictions in other people’s speech.
This, although built in, should be encouraged via the study of Logic in school. Logic could become a “Favorite Topic” for the Aspie. Notice, they hardly speak of Soviet Communist sins, no matter how Nazi like. I picked up on that!
#20 by Epiphany on 03/28/2012 - 8:13 pm
Have trust in the Aspies, they have the ability to perceive most of the absurdities in Political Correctness. They do not put up with that type of relativist drivel. Aspergers might indeed be fortuitous!
#21 by Jason Here on 03/29/2012 - 5:46 am
When I see how furious the mantra makes antiwhite people, I know it’s doing some good. They sense the threat. Let me ask you all this: do you all share ideas about what forums to go to? It might be fun to coordinate activities. I have sent Twitter remarks before, and I find it fun to do it in a way that they can’t strike back in the usual way – in other words I don’t use ethnic slurs or anything like that. I just focus on their hate and how whites are being genocided. I will often invite them to examine their own heart, to give up hatred, and embrace the diversity of humanity! Language that must absolutely infuriate them.
#22 by Jason Here on 03/29/2012 - 5:49 am
However, as much fun as it may be to infuriate the anti-whites, I assume the primary mission is to get the talking points out there so that enough whites hear it and will themselves repeat it. Is it generally considered useful to respond to counterattacks or to simply ignore them? I assume we are casting a wide net and don’t want to get bogged down arguing with one person too much or with those that can never be won over. I assume the idea is to just keep getting the idea out there to those who implicitly already are pro-white.
#23 by Genseric on 03/29/2012 - 7:58 am
Action Forum:
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/forum/bugs-swarm/
Action Log:
http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/where-did-you-post-the-mantra-today-ii/page/232/
Many BUGSters will take the time to humiliate and showcase an anti-white in front of an audience. I have taken a break from engaging bogey’s as it can be extremely exhausting. Right now, all I do is fly over as many targets as possible and drop Mantra 500-pounders wherever I can and Mantra-minis in between. I call this mode Mantra carpet-bombing.
#24 by Simmons on 03/29/2012 - 2:12 pm
Dr. MacDonald mentions Bob again and uses “anti-white” thruout this piece
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/03/trayvon-martin-and-george-zimmerman-reaffirming-the-national-religion/?show=comments
#25 by Jason on 05/13/2013 - 7:12 am
Good lord, Bob was right over a year ago about the Royal Prosecutor. That is the guy who is over at SF making snotty remarks about the Mantra even today. Bob had him pegged perfectly.
He really is reminiscent of a self-appointed kook at a small meeting no one cares about, taking on the role of an emperor.
But what’s important is how the AMPWs end up in utter despair and saying everything is futile. Why? Because we get called names like naziwhowantstokill6millionjews or Hate words like “rayycciiss”.
Yet, the are evidently too dense to see that is exactly what the Mantra gets around. They can’t see the solution in right in front of them.
#26 by Sentinel on 05/13/2013 - 9:37 am
My best one-word description for that AMPW is Whiny.
Someone like that has no grasp of what we’re doing and no interest in understanding, either — only to argue as a purpose. I think that his middle school debate sweater is restricting blood flow to the head.
The cherry on the irony cake was his coining of ”Bugsterism.” LOL
#27 by Harumphty Dumpty on 05/13/2013 - 3:54 pm
Whenever I see Bugsters arguing with AMPW’s on anti-Mantra threads or anywhere else, I’m going to post this:
Bugsters, leave the anti-Mantra “pro-Whites” to feed on their own offal. Don’t chow down with them.
I urge others here to post it too when needed. We’ve spent an absurd amount of time on these special needs children whose special need is to trash the Mantra, and we’ve accomplished little more than just lowering our own dignity and often irritating our own spirit. All for a group that’s irrelevant.
So let go of it. Don’t subscribe to those threads, and put that whole swamp out of your mind.
If the offal eaters take this as a retreat and come after us on our own threads, then we may have to react differently.
But the best thing would be if we leave them alone and they leave us alone.